An Interesting View on Paganism

[Havoc]

Killjoy!!

 

[Rae]

Earth to Carico, Earth to Carico.

The Pagans here, including me, STS, and Havoc, believe in MORE GODS than you do! We are not atheists! That should be obvious by now!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled insult fest that has no relationship to reality.

 

[Carico]

Where have you been, Dlamberth, under a rock? Every single post on this page has to do with me. And they haven't been flattering. I'm sure if I look back at the other pages, I will find that most posts are attacking my posts. Mylinkay even said that it's people vs. Carico. Radorth reported to the administration about the slander I had received. I was here to pread Jesus's words. But since people here don't love Jesus, they will also harrass me. You people cannot see your own behavior at all. You deny the attacks that are quite evident. You deny that you even attack Christianity! The attacks are spelled out in most of these posts. What's sad is that you all seem to enjoy it. But you can't see your motives because you can't even admit that you sin. Unbelievers HATE that word because it convicts them. They will also deny that with every fiber of their being. They will simply try to hurt the messenger instead of listening to the message. Jesus said, "I am sending you like sheep into a den of wolves. When you enter a house, if you don't find peace, wipe the dust off your feet and let your peace return to you." I will leave you to continue passing the message of hate.

 

[Reverend DSD]

"But you can't see your motives because you can't even admit that you sin."

And what seems to be your problem Carico is that you refuse to believe that there is anything else in this world except what you have been told. There is the possibility that Chistianity is flawed. So the the difference between you and most of the other people posting is they realize this. Any good pagan will realize that they could be "wrong" when it comes to their religion, but we believe what we do because it makes sense to us and it is what we feel in our hearts to be true. You seem to feel that way because you want to prove to the world that you know what is going on and that we are completely wrong. So the difference between pagan me, and christian you, is I have the ability to consider other options.

So there is my message of "hate" for the day.

Rev. DSD

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

Carico, we tell you that you are insulting, and ask you to stop. we don't insult you. Please stop playing the martyr.

 

[dlamberth]

I will leave you to continue passing the message of hate.

 

[Boanerge]

Todays special: Feast de la Carico.

This thread seems like a One wo/man war. lol.

Many of you have read my posts. I don't know what carico thinks. Perhaps s/hes thinking im also a pagan.

I just want to add for the record. I am not one of those people that puts together and mixes all religions nor am i a pagan, nor do i believe in many gods. I'm a Servant of my Living Savior Jesus Christ, all the way. However, the similarities of all religions are uncanny.

GREAT! i just wrote another seemingly meaningless essay. But don't take these words lightly. Right now you may skim through this. but i didnt write it to skim through. It something to read and reread. these are my pearls that i am casting before you.

Ofcourse i dont expect any of you to actually read this, because it will not make sense yet. But its here for those who can understand.

Amazingly i do not have to memorize any of this! yes!

Some people assume Christianity is just another religion when its not. To me, Christianity is the definition of all religions. And why people believe what they believe.

I know carico has good intensions in telling everyone to there faces that what they believe is "not the true way". I mean, even Hitler or the KKK had good intensions. But see, I'm not here to speak "good", instead i want to go into a deeper level. Its not enough to tell us we are wrong, anyone can do that. Satan does it everyday, telling us we are wrong, worthless, you name it. But in fact, we are more valuable than we think.

"one must sacrifice being good in order to be great."

Jesus couldve stayed on earth, healing everyone and opening the eyes of the Jews. But then the Gentiles wouldve been left out. Because if Jesus did not complete the Law, then only the Jews can be saved, since they have followed the Law since the beginning. If Jesus didn't die, we would still be circumcizing our children, putting to death people who disgrace the name of God, and putting to death people who disgrace each other. Not that circumcision is wrong, its simply not enough. Many people failed to realize but the Law required only one person to complete it. One person has, and not only did he fulfill it but opened our eyes to why it was made in the first place. Jesus ressurrected and left his Helper here to help us. Adam had a helper, Eve, and she was part of him. Jesus also had a helper, the Spirit, and she was part of Him. Why she? BEcause this is the only way we Humans can understand it. But i want to tell you, God has no gender.

So if the Law is complete, then how can we be made righteous? This is where being BORN of the Spirit, comes from.

The meaning of circumcision was to symbolize how we should be circumcised in our hearts. The meaning of the death of people who broke the Laws, was to symbolize how we should put to death those ill intentions that dwell with in us.

Ancient Israel, had a mission. They were to follow the Law, and do exactly what Jesus did.

(Jesus apparently was the only one who was able to follow the Law unto his death.)

Upon following the Law, they will then be mediators between God and Gentiles.

(the same way how Jesus is mediator between God and all mankind).

See The God i know can not look at sin, he cant even show his face to sin. Or the person he looks at, full of sin, would die. Because you have to understand. Sin is DArkness and we were made in it. if you ever looked out into space, we live in the heart of darkness. So what happens when Light shines on darkness? Darkness is no more. and what happens if we still are one with darkness when the light comes? we are no more, along with darkness.

But something happened. When God gave the Jews the Law. The Law which can justify them before the Lord. Some how they got spoiled. The same way America got spoiled. Israel became so blessed. Following the God above all gods, they THOUGHT they were better than other nations, Becoming ignorant of their mission. Not to be self-righteous, but to let the world know the one God, and why they are here for. But Israel was not able to understand why they had to be righteous, they eventully followed the Law and made it into a culture. They were not able to see that it is their hearts, and dedication to God,that made them righteous, not the Law. So Israel was not able to be wholey righteous, they still feared that upon seeing God they will perish. And it was true, because they still did not follow God as they should. So God said, he will rise up a Prophet. Since the people of God couldnt go to God directly, God will bring them to him indirectly. The prophet who God did not command to speak, will die. (Deuteronomy 18:15-22)

(BTW the jews were the lowest of all nations, Ishmael was a great warrior compared to Isaac. God has this idea to choose the weaker over the stronger. but the foolishness of God is wiser than the wisest man.)

Who is this prophet? Elijah? Jesus? Mohammad?

Can there be more than one Prophet?

We know that Elijah was lifted up. Jesus ressurected, not back to his human body but in his glorified body. and we have stories that mohammad didnt die.

The Bible says "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which i have not commanded him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die."

But there have been many prophets who spoke when God told them to speak and are in the grave. What did God Mean? What death was God talking about?

Obviously all humans will go through a physical death, so its not that a prophet will live forever in human flesh, God spoke of an Eternal death. Obviously a prophet who leads people into false teachings and lies, sends them like sheep to be slaughtered, of course God would say such a prophet should die. Such a prophet knows if s/he is speaking truth or not.

If s/he knows that s/he is not telling the truth, yet still speaks it, then this is very wrong. Many souls will be at stake with the words of such a prophet.

Therefore i also have to be careful with what i say. I only pray that the spirit of God may guide us.

You all have seen my posts. SO MUCH TO WRITE! and I havent even started yet!. all im doing is repeating what we should already know, but have forgotten.

BTW- I dont follow a religion, because Christianity as a religion will not agree with me. Following God is a way of life. He deserves more than some vainful rituals.

 

[Boanerge]

IF there is anything, any topic i have written about and you want me to elaborate, so that you can understand what i am saying, you know where to send a PM.

Because i have written so much, and i reread them and obviously there is still more to speak about. i only skimmed the surface. i dont know about you, but im not satisfied with the surface, i would like to sink my teeth in deeper. Because everything seems right on the surface, how do i know if the apple is rotten or not?

Plus i would like those who do understand everything i have written to PM me. this way i know i am not alone in these thoughts. The last thing i want is to create yet another religion.

 

[dlamberth]

Radorth reported to the administration about the slander I had received..........

I do hope that Rad is being honest and is also reporting to the administration your slander of other people. For a very quick couple of examples:

i will leave you to continue passing the message of hate.

and

What's coherent to you is psychosis.

There is a lot more..should I dig up your attacks on the Jews, too?

I have said this before, but these words land on death ears...it's not your message, Carico. It's the attitude in which the message is delivered that invites descent. Somewhere between your ears your not getting it!


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[Smilin]

Where have you been, Dlamberth, under a rock? Every single post on this page has to do with me.

Wrong. Reread the thread.

And they haven't been flattering.

and it's neither flattering to refer to those of other
religions as 'atheists'. However, it has been determined
you are allowed to do this, so be it. Yet, attaching
a label to someone incorrectly when you know better
is a lie, and lying is wrong.... So continue on.

I'm sure if I look back at the other pages, I will find that most posts are attacking my posts.

Perhaps you are just being paranoid?... Consider
that alternative... I'm not being mean, I'm serious.

I was here to pread Jesus's words. But since people here don't love Jesus, they will also harrass me. You people cannot see your own behavior at all. You deny the attacks that are quite evident. You deny that you even attack Christianity!

You deny the chance to learn of OTHER religions
than YOUR version of Christianity.

The attacks are spelled out in most of these posts. What's sad is that you all seem to enjoy it. But you can't see your motives because you can't even admit that you sin.

I won't apologize for finding inner peace and happiness
and FINALLY enjoying life. That is not sad. What
is sad (and rude) is your insistence on shoving
your theology down our throats.

Unbelievers HATE that word because it convicts them.

I released all hate when I released myself to all other
possibilities. It seems you hate we don't accept
your beliefs like good little mindless drones.

Jesus said, "I am sending you like sheep into a den of wolves.

If you wish to learn more about wolves, I will gladly
accomodate you. Just ask!

When you enter a house, if you don't find peace, wipe the dust off your feet and let your peace return to you." I will leave you to continue passing the message of hate.

I'm sorry you are blinded to other truths.

 

[Havoc]

You people cannot see your own behavior at all. You deny the attacks that are quite evident. ...The attacks are spelled out in most of these posts. What's sad is that you all seem to enjoy it.

And the Irony meter goes off the scale!

I will leave you to continue passing the message of hate.

That's the second time you've threatened to leave... please feel free.

 

[SquareC]

Well said, Smilin! One of the things that has truly offended me has been her calling me an atheist (and I am not easily offended) when I have never been an atheist. I have been Christian and I am now Pagan, but I have always believed in the Divine.

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

Where have you been, Dlamberth, under a rock? Every single post on this page has to do with me. And they haven't been flattering. I'm sure if I look back at the other pages, I will find that most posts are attacking my posts. Mylinkay even said that it's people vs. Carico. Radorth reported to the administration about the slander I had received. I was here to pread Jesus's words. But since people here don't love Jesus, they will also harrass me. You people cannot see your own behavior at all. You deny the attacks that are quite evident. You deny that you even attack Christianity! The attacks are spelled out in most of these posts. What's sad is that you all seem to enjoy it. But you can't see your motives because you can't even admit that you sin. Unbelievers HATE that word because it convicts them. They will also deny that with every fiber of their being. They will simply try to hurt the messenger instead of listening to the message. Jesus said, "I am sending you like sheep into a den of wolves. When you enter a house, if you don't find peace, wipe the dust off your feet and let your peace return to you." I will leave you to continue passing the message of hate.

I have met a lot of pagans in my life, more than I am sure you know. I have yet to meet a single pagan who has attacked Christianity. That is a fallacy that some Christians create in their mind that they are being attacked. Pagans are generally open and accepting of all religions.

 

[Smilin]

Well said, Smilin! One of the things that has truly offended me has been her calling me an atheist (and I am not easily offended) when I have never been an atheist. I have been Christian and I am now Pagan, but I have always believed in the Divine.

Sadly, judgement has been rendered that this is acceptable behavior. I am continuing to argue the
case against this behavior though. If I fail, I'll
have to modify my bio (again) to add yet more
names I've been labeled.

 

[Smilin]

And the Irony meter goes off the scale!


That's the second time you've threatened to leave... please feel free.

Havoc, you REALLY should buy one of those digital
meters and throw away that needle, analog type one..

They do have adjustable scaling features...

 

[Smilin]

I have met a lot of pagans in my life, more than I am sure you know. I have yet to meet a single pagan who has attacked Christianity. That is a fallacy that some Christians create in their mind that they are being attacked. Pagans are generally open and accepting of all religions.

And a thought for those who claim Christianity:

Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?

~Sogoyeaapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca~

 

[Havoc]

Sadly, judgement has been rendered that this is acceptable behavior. I am continuing to argue the
case against this behavior though. If I fail, I'll
have to modify my bio (again) to add yet more
names I've been labeled.

It's acceptable behaviour for a Christian to call a Pagan an Atheist, but for a Pagan to call a Christian an Atheist would be a breach of rules..

It's acceptable for Carico to abuse people and claim to be abused even though we've been more than patient and polite, but if we spoke to her in the manner she speaks to us we'd be censured.

There has always been two standards in place in these forums Smilin', you know that as well as I. That is not a criticism of the Mods here but rather an observation of Christianity as a whole. Throughout history Christians have claimed a higher moral standard than non-Christians but have treated their own indescretions as trivial while condemning those of non-Christians.

Chrtistians often claim the higher moral ground but very often it's the non-Christian who ends up tilling the soil there.

 

[dlamberth]

I have met a lot of pagans in my life, more than I am sure you know. I have yet to meet a single pagan who has attacked Christianity. That is a fallacy that some Christians create in their mind that they are being attacked. Pagans are generally open and accepting of all religions.

Good post, thanks.

But, as the post of Carico's that you were responding to was directed to me, I just want to make one small correction in what looks like an incorrect assumption about me in your post. Just to be clear, the spiritual path that I follow is not the path of the Pagan.

Where the problem may arise though MAY be in that Carico may be grouping ALL people who are not Christians as Evil with Satan working through them and thus equate ALL who are outside of the Christian structure are Pagan.

..

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

Actually according to Carico we're all atheists if we don't follow her path.

 

[Smilin]

It's acceptable behaviour for a Christian to call a Pagan an Atheist, but for a Pagan to call a Christian an Atheist would be a breach of rules..

and those who claim they only speek Christ's words,
quickly forget the Golden Rule, and what Christ
taught concerning how Christians should treat their
'neighbors'.

Many Christians also overlook the fact that Jesus
chose to dine with the 'sinners', or people of ill-repute
during his life. A lesson that many who say they
follow him still have not learned.

And the claim that Christians are persecuted? bahhh!
History shows who the persecutors were and who
were the persecuted. More non-believers have
died at the hands of Christians, than Christians
at the hands of Nero.

There has always been two standards in place in these forums Smilin', you know that as well as I. That is not a criticism of the Mods here but rather an observation of Christianity as a whole.

Agreed. Discount this forum and the mods, you will
find the double standard throughout Christianity.
This has been my experience in exploring the religion,
and one of many reasons I can't accept it as truth.