An interesting view from Europe on the election

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/09/europe-us-midterm-elections-reaction/

BRUSSELS — Much of Europe breathed a sigh of relief Wednesday, after a weaker than expected showing by Republicans and the absence of major election violence eased concern about turmoil in the transatlantic relationship and the health of American democracy — at least for now.

The results of the first major races since the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection are likely to lend some short-term stability to efforts to isolate Russia and support Ukrainian forces, the central concern for European officials and diplomats heading into the midterms. The outcome will also add a sense of continuity to day-to-day diplomacy.


But for a continent still reeling from Trump-era upheavals, the midterm races were a bracing reminder that despite talk of bolstering Europe’s “strategic autonomy,” American politics still very much shape European affairs. With or without a “red wave” this year, Europe knows that it has not seen the end of Trump or Trumpism and must plan accordingly.

“This is not as bad as we thought it would be,” said François Heisbourg, a security expert and longtime adviser to French officials. But the fear of a Trump return in 2024, he said, is “obviously still there.”

Interesting that our allies in Europe fear a return of Trump. NATO is stronger now.
 

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The meme I saw put in the context of a Canadian, but I think it's valid for what many Europeans see when they look at US elections.

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Interesting that our allies in Europe fear a return of Trump. NATO is stronger now.

I travel often in Europe - they didn't like Trump because he forced them to keep their agreements on funding NATO - NATO is in deed stronger now because they are beginning to fund their own defense forces and relying on the US to carry the financial load alone.
 
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I travel often in Europe - they didn't like Trump because he forced them to keep their agreements on funding NATO - NATO is in deed stronger now because they are beginning to fund their own defense forces and relying on the US to carry the financial load alone.
And they're stronger because Biden worked to unite them against Russia. That other guy would have turned his head and let Russia take Ukraine. And NATO....
 
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I suspect the more pressing security issue on European minds is this: Will the GOP continue to support Ukraine's fight against Russia's illegal invasion?

Will America continue to stand with Ukraine?

But in the lead-up to the midterms, comments from Republicans have raised questions about whether that support would continue. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said last month that a Republican-controlled House would not continue to issue “blank check” funding for Ukraine — a sentiment echoed by some GOP candidates but walked back by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).
 
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I travel often in Europe - they didn't like Trump because he forced them to keep their agreements on funding NATO - NATO is in deed stronger now because they are beginning to fund their own defense forces and relying on the US to carry the financial load alone.
They don't like Trump foe the same reasons North American people hate him.

And it's because he is a terrible person and a low quality human and Christian.
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/09/europe-us-midterm-elections-reaction/

BRUSSELS — Much of Europe breathed a sigh of relief Wednesday, after a weaker than expected showing by Republicans and the absence of major election violence eased concern about turmoil in the transatlantic relationship and the health of American democracy — at least for now.

The results of the first major races since the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection are likely to lend some short-term stability to efforts to isolate Russia and support Ukrainian forces, the central concern for European officials and diplomats heading into the midterms. The outcome will also add a sense of continuity to day-to-day diplomacy.


But for a continent still reeling from Trump-era upheavals, the midterm races were a bracing reminder that despite talk of bolstering Europe’s “strategic autonomy,” American politics still very much shape European affairs. With or without a “red wave” this year, Europe knows that it has not seen the end of Trump or Trumpism and must plan accordingly.

“This is not as bad as we thought it would be,” said François Heisbourg, a security expert and longtime adviser to French officials. But the fear of a Trump return in 2024, he said, is “obviously still there.”

Interesting that our allies in Europe fear a return of Trump. NATO is stronger now.

That is interesting.

I don't know if NATO is actually stronger now....but perhaps they see Joe as more predictable and willing to work with them.

I think it's more likely the fact that NATO is a poor deal for the US and we're a cash cow that fights wars for them.
 
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And they're stronger because Biden worked to unite them against Russia.

He worked to unite the alliance?

That other guy would have turned his head and let Russia take Ukraine. And NATO....

Why didn't Russia do this back when the other guy was in office?
 
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That is interesting.

I don't know if NATO is actually stronger now....but perhaps they see Joe as more predictable and willing to work with them.

I think it's more likely the fact that NATO is a poor deal for the US and we're a cash cow that fights wars for them.
It is stronger as two countries are joining and they are working on something that unifies them - Ukraine.
 
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Nasty thought for the day: How long can the US financially afford to?

Like any budgeting decision, it comes down to our priorities. Do we value preserving another country's right to exist? Do we value democracy and self rule?
 
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That is interesting.

I don't know if NATO is actually stronger now....but perhaps they see Joe as more predictable and willing to work with them.

I think it's more likely the fact that NATO is a poor deal for the US and we're a cash cow that fights wars for them.

Maintaining the peace in Europe has been quite profitable for the United States. IMO, our investments in post WW2 Europe (and in Japan) have more than paid us back. Now it's true our European allies have been pulling their fair share (asked to spend 2% of the their budgets on defense). However, that changed with the Russian invasion.
 
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Like any budgeting decision, it comes down to our priorities. Do we value preserving another country's right to exist? Do we value democracy and self rule?

Let's not forget, what's the point of saving the Ukraine if we end up impoverished and in need of aid ourselves?
 
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And they're stronger because Biden worked to unite them against Russia. That other guy would have turned his head and let Russia take Ukraine. And NATO....

Considering many heads of State do not even answer Joe when he calls - what specifically did he do to unite them against Russia who has been their enemy since 1941?

As for 'the other guy" don't look too closely - Joe has in fact turned his head and coughed, in doing so Russia invaded and continues to kill Ukrainians.

Early on Ukraine asked for outdated fighter jets so they could mount a defense to their borders - Joe said no.

Why is that?
 
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Early on Ukraine asked for outdated fighter jets so they could mount a defense to their borders - Joe said no.

Fighter jets can also be used for offensive operations inside Russian territory. That was (and is) the line the US did not want to cross....
 
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