An interesting list of basic beliefs

[NeverADullMoment]

Genesis 3:1 - Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:2 - And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Genesis 3:3 - But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


She knew Statrei, she knew.

 

[statrei]

Genesis 3:1 - Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:2 - And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Genesis 3:3 - But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


She knew Statrei, she knew.

Read carefully. I did not say she did not know. The question is how did she get to know. God did not say not to touch the tree. Adam added when he told Eve to stay away from the tree, probably as a safe guard. Moses was very careful in telling the story. Let us be careful not to disregard his efforts.

 

[NeverADullMoment]

You say tomatoe, I say tomato. Let's call the whole thing weird.

She knew the ramifications of eating of the tree. She knew the command came directly from God, even if Adam was the one to tell her secondhand. She was tempted and told God was a liar, basically. She made an informed choice to disobey.

 

[statrei]

You say tomatoe, I say tomato. Let's call the whole thing weird.

She knew the ramifications of eating of the tree. She knew the command came directly from God, even if Adam was the one to tell her secondhand. She was tempted and told God was a liar, basically. She made an informed choice to disobey.

You insist on believing the lie the devil wants us to believe. What you just said contradicts what is written in Gen. 3.

 

[NeverADullMoment]

Then what are you saying? That Eve had no clue she was disobeying God?

I have to go eat breakfast, bbl.

 

[statrei]

Then what are you saying? That Eve had no clue she was disobeying God?

I have to go eat breakfast, bbl.

Why do you think that the curses God pronounced only affected her relationship with Adam? The serpent successfully got her on his side by demonstating the same ignorance she had before Adam told her. He pretended that he did not know what was up. Notice that he never asked her to eat of the tree. I know a lot of people say that he did but it is not in the Bible.

 

[NeverADullMoment]

The serpent successfully got her on his side by demonstating the same ignorance she had before Adam told her. He pretended that he did not know what was up.

Which "he" are you referring to? Adam or satan?

 

[statrei]

Which "he" are you referring to? Adam or satan?

The serpent. Don't miss the drama Moses lays out in Genesis 3:1Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?.

 

[NeverADullMoment]

Well there you go. Deceiving Eve into sinning is just another way of putting "he led her into sin". So where's the problem?

 

[statrei]

Well there you go. Deceiving Eve into sinning is just another way of putting "he led her into sin". So where's the problem?

I suggest you read my original response again. Being deceived gave God the legal right to rescue the human race. If she had been led then it would be a rebellion and there could have been no rescue. There is a distinction with a difference.

 

[NeverADullMoment]

Okay, I get what you're saying Statrei, but it doesn't change our fundamental belief in any way. Eve did not sin without the serpent interferring in the situation. He had a part in the reason she disobeyed. Call her gullible, ignorant, whatever, but she didn't make the choice on her own.

 

[statrei]

Okay, I get what you're saying Statrei, but it doesn't change our fundamental belief in any way. Eve did not sin without the serpent interferring in the situation. He had a part in the reason she disobeyed. Call her gullible, ignorant, whatever, but she didn't make the choice on her own.

My point was that she was not led into sin, as the statement says. BTW, Eve was very intelligent. Deception works on the very wise whenever they don't check the facts. Eve's problem was that she did not check with Adam when doubt was cast on what he had told her. This is why every curse affected her relationship with Adam.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I guess I don't see all the hubbub. Satan used deception to get Eve to sin, and she should've consulted Adam, but she didn't. I agree she was very intelligent, God was her teacher. Instead of relying on that relationship though, she let herself "fall" for what the serpeant was telling her. That in itself is sinful (in my opinion).

 

[TrustAndObey]

I might add...when I need to know something important, the LAST person I ask is my husband.

LOL (I'm totally kidding honey).

 

[statrei]

I guess I don't see all the hubbub. Satan used deception to get Eve to sin, and she should've consulted Adam, but she didn't. I agree she was very intelligent, God was her teacher. Instead of relying on that relationship though, she let herself "fall" for what the serpeant was telling her. That in itself is sinful (in my opinion).

Look around at the world and you will see what the hubbub is about. If we don't understand how the Fall occurred then we don't understand what God is about. And Christ has linked life eternal with knowledge about the person of the Father. Eve did not fail the human race. She recognized the very first lie that the serpent told about God. It was not true that God had prohibited them from eating from any tree, and she took the time to correct that error. Words are important and Eve showed that she was paying attention. Her exuberance was her downfall, as often happens to us. When she said that they were forbidden to touch it she almost "played herself." The serpent was touching the tree and he did not die. The rest is history.

 

[statrei]

I might add...when I need to know something important, the LAST person I ask is my husband.

LOL (I'm totally kidding honey).

Except that in this case she had gotten the information from her husband. He was the authority to check with.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I don't recall reading that satan was touching the tree?

 

[statrei]

I don't recall reading that satan was touching the tree?

[BIBLE]Genesis 3:6[/BIBLE] That is only possible if the serpent ate of the fruit. He had to touch the tree. I will admit that I do believe that he was in the tree, but that is pure logical speculation on my part.

 

[TrustAndObey]

If he was in the tree, eating of it himself and telling her it was good, I would call that "leading".

Much like someone being mean spirited and telling you the milk they had in their hand is wonderful, but when you taste it for yourself you find out it has turned. They led you to believe it was wonderful.

Maybe a bad analogy but I just woke up from a nap.

 

[statrei]

If he was in the tree, eating of it himself and telling her it was good, I would call that "leading".

Much like someone being mean spirited and telling you the milk they had in their hand is wonderful, but when you taste it for yourself you find out it has turned. They led you to believe it was wonderful.

Maybe a bad analogy but I just woke up from a nap.

His intent was to deceive her. She had to decide on her own so he could claim the earth as his. He could not just take over. Adam and Eve had been given dominion over the earth.