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Well... The Exodus 20 tablets get broken. So it's the Exodus 34 tablets that end up in the ark, it looks to me.And it is the EX 20 commandments that end up in the ark as Deut 4 and 5 remind us -- 40 years later.
Well... The Exodus 20 tablets get broken.
That's right, The Exodus 20 words don't get deleted.But the Exodus 20 words don't get deleted.
So then Deut 4 and 5 point out that it is the words spoken that are preserved and still to be regarded 40 years later.
Even in Ex 34 the text says clearly it is the same as the Exodus 20 set of words that are written.
Ex 34
1."cut two tables of stone like unto the first: and I (God) will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables... 28 And he (God) wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments"
There is apparently an "edit" of Ex 34 by "some" so get it to say "do NOT write on these tables the words that were on the first tables"... and then "God wrote something other than the ten commandments already given previously"
They are slightly different because God is speaking directly in Exodus 20. In Deuteronomy 5, Moses is repeating what God spoke and God wrote. The only commandments written on stone are found in Exodus 20. God spoke them and God wrote them with His own finger. Exodus 31:18. The commandments were re-written exactly as the first according to scripture. Deuteronomy 10:4That's right, The Exodus 20 words don't get deleted.
In Deuteronomy 5, the words are slightly different.
Exodus 34 says it's the same words as Exodus 20, and then tells us what those words are. And they're somewhat different from Exodus 20.
God tells Moses to write these words (Exodus 34) and Moses wrote those words on the two tablets of stone.
Moses didn't accurately repeat what God spoke and wrote? That's an interesting approach.They are slightly different because God is speaking directly in Exodus 20. In Deuteronomy 5, Moses is repeating what God spoke and God wrote. The only commandments written on stone are found in Exodus 20. God spoke them and God wrote them with His own finger. Exodus 31:18. The commandments were re-written exactly as the first according to scripture. Deuteronomy 10:4
Please do not put words in my mouth.Moses didn't accurately repeat what God spoke and wrote? That's an interesting approach.
The tablets from Exodus 20 get smashed, I believe. So the tablets that end up in the ark must be the ones from Exodus 34, aren't they?
Right, I certainly don't want to put words in your mouth.Please do not put words in my mouth.There is no difference in meanings between what God wrote/spoke and Moses repeated. It’s typical when one repeats something from someone else a word or two is changed. Moses did not change any of the meanings of what God spoke and what God wrote.
If you believe Deuteronomy 10:4 It was rewritten exactly as the first which is what is in the the ark of the covenant written by the finger of God. Exodus 31:18
Right, I certainly don't want to put words in your mouth.
So...
for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.
means the same thing as
You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
There is only one Truth in scriptures and I think God makes it pretty clear how we should keep His day holy. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13.If that's what you're saying, then cool! That will give the Holy Spirit lots of room to guide us in keeping the Sabbath.
Moses did not write the Ten Commandments, God did with His own finger. Exodus 31:18.I do believe everything written about the second set of tablets saying the same thing as first.
I also believe this from Exodus 34
"Write these words"
and
"He (Moses) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."
Right! Does it mean the same thing as the Exodus 20 version?This is Moses saying to the Israelites You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt and reminding them God commanded them to keep the Sabbath as God stated in the commandment and all the other commandments of God that God both spoke and wrote.
Well, those scriptures plus a whole lot more!There is only one Truth in scriptures and I think God makes it pretty clear how we should keep His day holy. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13.
After looking at the commentaries, I agree that God wrote on the second tablets of stone, Exodus 34:1. Apparently that's allowable in the Hebrew idiom for those pronouns.Moses did not write the Ten Commandments, God did with His own finger. Exodus 31:18.
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
You’re free to believe that the Ten Commandment are anything but what is found in Exodus 20, but it’s not what I believe or what the scriptures teach.Right! Does it mean the same thing as the Exodus 20 version?
Well, those scriptures plus a whole lot more!
After looking at the commentaries, I agree that God wrote on the second tablets of stone, Exodus 34:1. Apparently that's allowable in the Hebrew idiom for those pronouns.
That makes the situation all the more interesting. It says he wrote the words of the covenant. To me, there's a strong implication that the Covenant is Exodus 34, at least at that point in time.
"Behold, I make a covenant: before all your people I will do marvels, such as have not been worked in all the earth."
"The Lord said to Moses, “Write these words; for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”"
"He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."
________________________You’re free to believe that the Ten Commandment are anything but what is found in Exodus 20, but it’s not what I believe or what the scriptures teach.
Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20 - New King James Version
The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
Jesus when He told us to keep the commandments for eternal life and was asked ‘which ones’ quoted directly from Exodus 20. Matthew 19:17-19 and again when saying to keep the least of the commandments quoted directly from the Ten Matthew 5:19-30.
James also quotes directly from the Ten in Exodus 20 when saying you break one of the commandments it is like breaking them all and we will be judged by the Commandments. James 2:10-12
Paul also quotes directly from the Ten when defining what sin is Romans 7:7 and again Ephesians 6:2 stating the first commandment with a promise.
All of the Ten Commandments have been repeated in the New Testament for everyday Christian living.
God said right in the Ten that He shows mercy to those who love Him and keep His commandments which is a theme throughout the entire bible. Exodus 20:9
I believe in the scriptures, but we all have free will to believe what we want.
Signing out. God bless and take care.
May the Lord bless you and keep you.Signing out. God bless and take care.
18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, at the time appointed in the month Abib; for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
19 All that openeth the womb is mine; and all thy cattle that is male, the firstlings of cow and sheep.
20 And the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break its neck. All the first-born of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in plowing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, [even] of the first-fruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
23 Three times in the year shall all thy males appear before the Lord Jehovah, the God of Israel.
Lets keep them all.
How do you believe the first born will be redeemed (from Exodus 34) then?
Absolutely! So how do you believe the firstborn are redeemed in practice? That is, if you want to answer. If you don't, that's cool.Don't cause your sons and daughters to pass through the fire: the one who slaughters an ox slays a man, (Isaiah 66:3). Better make sure you have your understanding correct according to the scripture: choose life, as the Torah says.
Absolutely! So how do you believe the firstborn are redeemed in practice? That is, if you want to answer. If you don't, that's cool.
I didn't realize you considered post 36 to be an answer.Let's trade answers. Since I answered you once already how about you explain the ways in which you do all those those things in the scriptures that were posted in reply#34 above, (to which you responded previously).
How do you pluck out your eye that causes you to stumble? or cut off your hand or foot if and when they cause you to stumble? How is your new heavens and new earth coming along? Do you go forth after worship in your chosen day of the week to observe the Shabbat, (sunday?), and look upon the carcasses and body parts of those who transgressed against Elohim? All your sacrifices are salted with salt according to the Torah, right?
I can't wait to hear all about these critically important scripture teachings and how you fulfill them in the name of the Messiah by his doctrine. Unless of course you don't want to answer, which is okay too.
I didn't realize you considered post 36 to be an answer.
But sure, thanks for your answer!
How do we do the things in the law, and pluck out our eyes, things like that? Metaphorically.
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