An FYI. Terror from the Right

[BrriKerr]

Religion is the root of all evil, if we could get rid of it the world would be a much safer place for everyone.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

What about anti-flouride; anti-animal testing; anti-vaxxers; et al? The fact is that you CAN break large umbrella concepts into smaller groups but there is no intellectual obligation to do it. If you are discussing large umbrella terms, then that's what you discuss.
Also, specific to anti-government extremism: Help me understand something. How can a politically left wing person (ie. leaning towards "big government") be inclined to blow things up in it? And do you have any examples of such?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#Left-wing_extremism

I mentioned a few of the group names in a previous post that show up on this list.

Anti-animal testing people definitely tend to lean left (although it might not be true in all cases)...and most identify with the green party.

Anti-flouride and anti vaxxers are a crap shoot...I've heard some of those guys from both sides of the political fence.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Religion is the root of all evil, if we could get rid of it and the world would be a much safer place for everyone.

I'm not a fan of religion, personally...

But, I would say that in our present day, more people have been killed over money & turf than from religion.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I find it uncomfortable that people with whom I could probably politicaly align with (ie...animal liberation front, for example) may carry out terrorist attacks but I'm man enough to admit it. I mean, it's not like I'M doing it.

The difference being, is nobody is accusing you of being a hypocrite based on the fact that you may criticize terrorism from other groups.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Comparing "Right Wing vs. Muslims" isn't a valid comparison. You're comparing a conglomeration of a wide variety of different groups, vs. a single group.

That's a great point.

A much better comparison would be to add all the left-wing atrocities, including the holocaust and what the Nazis did, together with the Islamic atrocities, including the Armenian massacre.

Since the SPLC likes to use conspiracy theories to label right-wing terrorism, one really ought to shift the Murrah Federal Building bombing back into the left-wing column as well. Timothy McVeigh is documented as having Islamic associates who influenced him and actively attempted to fully convert him to Islam.

 

[BrriKerr]

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[BrriKerr]

Of course you're going to get a higher number when you're aggregating stats from numerous groups and comparing them to just one single group.

Which one is the single group?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Which one is the single group?

Islamic Radicals...

As noted before, I realize there are slight deviations between different factions of Islamic radicals...however, they're more monolithic, than say, trying to put Neo-Nazis in the same group as The Army of God.


I realize that maybe "group" isn't the best word to use...maybe "ideology" would be a better descriptor.

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑
Let's look at this from a slightly different method of specifying a group and their actions.

Right Wing Conservatives generally do not support gun control and fight against it vociferously.

In the 21st Century over 150,000 Americans have been shot and killed on American soil because guns are readily available. Guns are readily available because of the actions of Right Wing Conservatives.​

No, the 150,000 Americans have been shot and killed because of the actions of the people who shot and killed them.

Oh, right, I forgot, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

A 20-year-old man opened fire at a Connecticut elementary school Friday, killing 26 people, including 20 children ages 5 to 10, in one of the deadliest school shootings in U.S. history.​

I wonder how many would have died if Adam Lanza was only armed with an axe.

Other countries offer a road map. In Australia in 1996, a mass killing of 35 people galvanized the nation’s conservative prime minister to ban certain rapid-fire long guns. The “national firearms agreement,” as it was known, led to the buyback of 650,000 guns and to tighter rules for licensing and safe storage of those remaining in public hands.

The law did not end gun ownership in Australia. It reduced the number of firearms in private hands by one-fifth, and they were the kinds most likely to be used in mass shootings.

In the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings — but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect. The murder rate with firearms has dropped by more than 40 percent, according to data compiled by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center [HICRC], and the suicide rate with firearms has dropped by more than half.​

There's no correlation between gun ownership rates and gun homicide rates.

If there are no guns, there are no gun related homicides.

 

[ecco]

I'm not a fan of religion, personally...

But, I would say that in our present day, more people have been killed over money & turf than from religion.

Following the dethronement of Saddam in Iraq a lot of Sunnis and Shiites killed each other. Some of it was essentially, "this is my neighborhood not yours, Get Out!. Is that turf or religion speaking?

 

[ecco]

A much better comparison would be to add all the left-wing atrocities, including the holocaust and what the Nazis did

Which wing is Christianity? I ask because Hitler's extermination of the Jews was based on Christianity.

 

[rambot]

The difference being, is nobody is accusing you of being a hypocrite based on the fact that you may criticize terrorism from other groups.

Well, since that didn't happen in the OP of this thread, it seems you were really jumping the "accusatory gun". I don't know how the pattern of the other threads you mentioned played out.

But that is because I am admitting and accepting that left wing organizations carry out terrorist attacks. I don't defend them and I don't make excuses to try to paint my political wing out of a corner. This is what it appears is happenning with this list.

 

[rambot]

Which wing is Christianity? I ask because Hitler's extermination of the Jews was based on Christianity.

Balderdash. Utterly, and completely balderdash.

Religion is the root of all evil, if we could get rid of it the world would be a much safer place for everyone.

Just as much so. Power and greed are the root of all evil. IF you seriously think it's religion, you don't understand human nature AT ALL.

 

[rambot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#Left-wing_extremism

I mentioned a few of the group names in a previous post that show up on this list.

Anti-animal testing people definitely tend to lean left (although it might not be true in all cases)...and most identify with the green party.

Did you noticed the most recent example from was from 1983?
Also, those weren't "anti-government" groups. They were groups opposed to the invasion of communist countries. Conceptually, they have no problem with government or the size of government

 

[stamperben]

I'm unclear here. An I being accused of hypocrisy because I haven't started any threads about either ISIL or leftwing terrorism?

Wow.

 

[rambot]

That's a great point.

A much better comparison would be to add all the left-wing atrocities, including the holocaust and what the Nazis did, together with the Islamic atrocities, including the Armenian massacre.

Stalin was worse than the Nazis. You should have went with Stalin, because he was ACTUALLY left wing. The Nazis were politically right wing and all evidence (as I laid out on my second post in this thread) points that direction. It could loosely be argued that they were economically left side...but not reall.y

 

[NightHawkeye]

Stalin was worse than the Nazis. You should have went with Stalin, because he was ACTUALLY left wing. The Nazis were politically right wing and all evidence (as I laid out on my second post in this thread) points that direction. It could loosely be argued that they were economically left side...but not reall.y

I suppose if one rejects their very name National Socialism (NAZI) ...

The real problem is attempting to categorize political activity into two distinct groups. Most of us know better than that ... but that hasn't stopped the SPLC from doing so to suit their own selfish ideological purposes. When one makes a stupid case using stupid premises as the SPLC has done, then it's usually just as easy to refute it using those same stupid premises to show the opposite.

I understand why the SPLC wants to show that there are right-wing networks. Unless people believe there are right-wing terror networks it will become necessary to focus corrective action on the well-known left-wing terror networks which do exist.

 

[rambot]

I suppose if one rejects their very name National Socialism (NAZI) ...

Pfffft. Is that REALLY the best counter argument you can come up with? Go back to my older post explaining it.
FYI, The Tea Party isn't ACTUALLY about a tea party...cause sometimes, people use names that have little to do with their literal meaning.

The real problem is attempting to categorize political activity into two distinct groups.

No, it's not. It's not a problem at all. It's distasteful to you, but it's not a problem. I do like the reasons you give for that problem. Wait, sorry. There are no reasons; just that "...us know better than that".

Most of us know better than that ... but that hasn't stopped the SPLC from doing so to suit their own selfish ideological purposes. When one makes a stupid case using stupid premises as the SPLC has done, then it's usually just as easy to refute it using those same stupid premises to show the opposite.

Ad homenim...strong stuff there. And intellectually lazy to not bother trying to prove said "stupid premises". Were you hoping to have a discussion about an argument you were putting forward because you don't really do anything to support your premise. Sooo.... I don't really know what to say. Sorry.

I understand why the SPLC wants to show that there are right-wing networks. Unless people believe there are right-wing terror networks it will become necessary to focus corrective action on the well-known left-wing terror networks which do exist.

And yet the wikilinks article has only indicated about 20 incidents, the last one in 1983.
Again, trying to deflect with "left wing terror".
Please feel free to post links of other left wing terror groups.

 

[NightHawkeye]

One can continue over-simplifying the political system only if one wants to live in perpetual ignorance and keep repeating the mistakes of the past.

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The truth is that what so many call the far-left and the far-right have nearly the same goals and results.

Personally, I choose freedom.

 

[rambot]

One can continue over-simplifying the political system only if one wants to live in perpetual ignorance and keep repeating the mistakes of the past.

What is the discomfort and fear in not doing so? This happens all over the internet and there's no good reason not to. You can google "left wing terrorism" and "right wing terrorism" and you get lists and information. Nobody else online is as scared of doing that except a few "right leaning posters" on Christian forums apparently.
The wikki link provided showed all right wing violence into different subsects but kept "left wing violence" as its own group.

Not to derail the content of this thread but it's interesting that a lot of sites are talking about things like "What happenned to the left wing terrorism of the 70s?" CLEARLY it happenned. Well, I'll tell you what happenned. [EDIT:Once things died down against the war on communism, the far left groups had no reason to fight. Isn't that weird? I wonder if a philosophy like that might work again with Islam?
No....that was just a fluke. It doesn't make sense that if you stop bombing people, they stop attacking you.]

For the last couple decades right wing terrorism that is more predominant than left wing. Perhaps it will swing back and we can one day say "What happenned to the right wing terrorism of the 90s, 2000s, and 10s?" but they'd probably have to be grown up enough to accept that it's happenning.

The squimish discomfort displayed here is actually kinda funny to me.

The truth is that what so many call the far-left and the far-right have nearly the same goals and results

Yeah? So you think Weather Underground and Timothy McVeigh had the same end goals?

Personally, I choose freedom.

GROAN.
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