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An Evolution that eclipses another Evolution, leaves nothing to be emulated?

Gottservant

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Hi there,

So this is basically a thought experiment, for which I don't really know where it will lead. The point is this, sometimes "things can be learned" before the question of survival is moot. Obviously if you are the most evolved in your respective environment, your survival is a moot point. The problem comes when you have an Evolution that could be surpassed by something greater, without a connection from the greater Evolution,, to emulate. If you know how to eat flowers and a monkey works out how to crack a nut, you wouldn't say "well, the monkey has worked out better than me, I will give up", would you? No! You would watch the monkey and work out how to crack nuts, like him?

This is instinct at work; it does not try to suggest that any one creature knows everything, but that every creature shares part of its environment with others and so learns a little from most, if not all in that environment. This is different from "learning everything", which is a fool's errand. Rather it suggests that even species as a whole are willing to surrender something, to life together, that the whole can benefit from the more, if it keeps to it in all honesty as something from God. In surrendering, the path is made clear for an element of the creature's instinct to change, as it is educated with respect to its environment, depending on what it is that will survive the more.

The test comes when the creature must demonstrate that it has learned to enlarge its sphere through instinct, in the sense that if it has, it will be evident to the mate, that the creature is trying to woo, perhaps even before that depending on what tests of survival are thrown at it. Either way, the greater the instinct the greater the survival will be the general rule. Power, in this sense, is able to gift the diligent of instinct, in ways that mere happenstance can't justify - Evolution by chance, simply can't compare, to Evolution by instinct, in nine cases out of ten, you might say.

So what is it that happens when one Evolution eclipses another? If the one that is eclipsed is diligent, it is able to learn the greater instinct. The greater instinct, may be a challenge that it can't face, but what choice does it have? And if no choice, how can Evolution insist that it not be insisted on? Jesus characterized this as a Judge who gets sick of a woman coming to him demanding justice (over and over again): he basically decides to forget his "evolution" and help, because he just won't get rest, if the woman keeps coming at him. The power of this is subtle, it does not mean that creatures radically change their form, because pressure is on them to be something else - but it shows that even before Evolution is invoked, there may be things that can be learned, that will affect how subsequent Evolutions are revealed. Even the strongest Evolutionists, have favours they would like to win, of their respective mates.

Raw Evolution doesn't give you that favour, but negotiated Evolution or mitigated Evolution (either way) may give it far more liberally than simple survival would suggest.
 

FrumiousBandersnatch

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... Obviously if you are the most evolved in your respective environment, your survival is a moot point.
There is no sense of one creature being 'more evolved' than another, but some are fitter for their environment than others.

Some of what you say would almost make sense if you were referring to cultural evolution compared to evolution by natural selection - although the former is an emergent product of the latter, and requires sophisticated cognitive abilities.
 
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