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An EO heads-up :)

Discussion in 'Semper Reformanda' started by St_Worm2, Feb 16, 2018.

  1. St_Worm2

    St_Worm2 Senior Member Supporter

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    One of our EO members, Arsenios, has started a thread concerning Justification, particularly (I believe) with an eye on Reformed justification v EOC justification.

    If you'd like to join in, go here: JUSTIFICATION: δικαιωμα/δικαιωσις
     
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  2. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    Fair warning!

    This is in the "Traditional Theology" area, and thusly, we (Calvinists) are not allowed to debate there.

    I was in a discussion in that area several months ago about the OT apocrypha book "Enoch" and got my hand slapped.

    Just be warned that "Traditional Theology" is specific to Orthodox and Catholic when venturing into that area.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
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  3. St_Worm2

    St_Worm2 Senior Member Supporter

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    Thanks!

    I wonder why Arsenios chose that board, since he seemed to be encouraging Reformed participation in this particular thread :scratch:
     
  4. Apologetic_Warrior

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    I thought about replying but unfortunately I have far too much going on, I am spread too thin both at the computer and away. I hope someone from the Reformed around here can participate and bring knowledge and resources to the table because it is an important subject and worth discussing, at length even. In addition to Scriptural proofs (with emphasis on definitions from the original languages) and cogent arguments, implications, applications, history of the doctrine would be useful to the discussion. It would be interesting to do a presuppositional analysis of EO's underlying assumptions behind their version of the doctrine. It could be an extremely long discussion for sure, hours upon hours of research and hours and hours of preparing drafts.
     
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    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

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    Like I said, its an area for "Traditional Theology".

    Let me give you a record of what was said to me.

    "Exactly you read and interpret scripture in the light of genre in which it was written. As I said there is a fundamentalist section of the CF go there and push your barrow there."

    "You are the fundamentalist that has come into a traditional theological area of the CF telling us that it didn’t rain on this planet before Noah’s flood which is plainly ridiculous in my humble opinion. Also the Anglican Church has a broad spectrum of ways of looking at theology of which I am an Anglo Catholic and a realist and I come here to talk about traditional theology. If I wanted to talk about a literalist interpretation of scripture I would go to those parts of the forum, so respect that and move your literalist interpretation of scripture to one of those areas please."

    And bear in mind this:

    ""Traditional Theology -- A forum dedicated to the respectful discussion of traditional, historic theology; liturgical practices, doctrines, dogmatics; Holy Scripture as found in the various canons of the Church; Church History; classic confessions of the faith, etc.

    Definition of Traditional Christianity:

    Traditional Christians hold to the traditional beliefs and customs of the early church that Jesus Christ established and believe they should be acknowledged and used in the development of the Church today. Traditional Christians believe that the Church and associated Tradition - especially from the Apostolic / early Church - guide us even today. These traditions include sources such as church councils and creeds, writings of the early Church Fathers, testimony of the Lives of the Saints, classic confessions of the faith, etc. Many traditional Christians believe that each Christian is involved in a movement toward God, commonly known as theosis or sanctification. Traditional Christians recognize a variety of sacraments and sacramental acts including, but not limited to; Baptism, Holy Communion (Eucharist), Confession and Absolution, Chrismation (confirmation) etc., and consider them to be additional means whereby God imparts His grace on those who have faith."

    So beware, this area is limited to: Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, etc.

    I'm just trying to save you from getting your hand slapped like me.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
     
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  6. JM

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    Whenever I have tried to discuss history or theology with EO members on this forum I've been reported. I've learned to just be sarcastic so at least I've earned the report.

    lol
     
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    JM pre·des·ti·nar·i·an Supporter

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    Just bring the op here and discuss it.

    Quote:

    A good friend of mine, who stands on the 5 pillars, asked me to open a thread on justification... So I am doing so, with the prayer that in it we may sort through some of its features in Traditional Theology...

    In this prayer, I am opening it with the two Greek words Paul uses, ( Romans 5:16&18 ) which are both translated as 'justification', and which both have the "δικ-" root, the first pronounced di-kai'-o-ma and the second di-kai-o'-sis. The kai is pronounced, by Greeks, key, and by us more behemothic American types, like me, k+eye. The di- is Greeked with dee, and Americanized with d+if, minus the f... The first is accented on the anti-penultimate syllable, and the second on the penultimate... Both -o-s sound like a good ol' American oh-.

    So dee-key'oh-mah and dee-key-oh'-sis IF you want to sound familiar to the Greeks... But then, should you decide to do wo with a Greek speaker, you have to be prepared to deal with their outburst of Greek words in reply, OK?

    The first word is normally used to denote the RESULT of an action, and the second, which is closely related, is normally used to refer to the CONDITION of that result in a person or thing... For a plausible anglicized co-equivalent, if you fail to brush your teeth, and the food in your mouth abides and rots, you will have a condition known as halitosis... The SMELL of the rotten food in the Greek would be halitoma...

    So for you 5-pointers, this is the thread to deal with the Biblical doctrine of Justification and its place in the Bible in Christian Theology... I just wanted to lay the groundwork a little, and see if anyone other than my friend might be interested...

    The Dik- root, of course, literally means right, so justification, understood in THAT light, might and should be more literally be understood as RECTIFICATION...

    Enough for the intro!

    For a good and easily navigated interliner source online, see: Search for: Romans 5:16-18 - Strong's Interlinear Bible Search - Reference Desk - StudyLight.org

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