An attempt to eliminate God.

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Romans 2:13 for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.

If indeed there were any doers of the law. The Scripture plainly says there are none even from the OT. Jesus proved the point with the rich young man.

 

[maco]

If indeed there were any doers of the law. The Scripture plainly says there are none even from the OT. Jesus proved the point with the rich young man.

You have no faith in the power of God. You make Him weak and powerless to change anyone. That is the latest trend in these last days.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

You have no faith in the power of God. You make Him weak and powerless to change anyone. That is the latest trend in these last days.

Conversely, the latest trend is to cheapen His grace, nullify His fulfillment and render powerless His very sacrifice by saying that the same conditions apply as before He died and rose again... it's like His sacrifice was a waste to legalists.

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by BornAgainBrian God commands the Sabbath in the Mosaic Law too, but you are fine separating it out from there.
Originally Posted by Elder 111

We have the authority to usurp God?
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Not at all. No one said that. Gigantic straw man here

There is no straw man! God put the Ten together we can see fit to keep 9 and discard one. Is that not usurping/eliminating God as God? It is God that did it not man. What right have we to choose what we would and would not do. God says do it!
If God did not want the whole of the ten would he not have said so? Heb. 4:8.

 

[Elder 111]

So you hold that this mention of Sabbath is talking about another Sabbath which is mentioned nowhere else in Scripture and doesn't exist?

Are all these New Testament verses meaningless? Is that your stance?

How do you mean not mentioned elsewhere? Do you not know or are you pretending?
Liv. 16:
29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the Lord.
31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
If you don't know you need to check. It was kept from even to even just like the weekly Sabbath but it was a yearly sabbath on that date.

 

[Elder 111]

Since I see no proof that the law of Moses is God's standard for everyone, I really don't have to worry much.

You are wrong on two counts here.

1. It is not the law of Moses, It is God's ten commandments written with his own hand.
2. It is not what you see/accept that counts but what God requires.

 

[Elder 111]

Do you use grace to void the law when you violate it? I do not need grace because I violate something that has no jurisdiction over me. I need grace because of sin. Does one really need the law to understand stealing is wrong? If so do you really love someone who steals from you? I doubt it very much. Would you love some one having an affair with your wife. Would it change your relationship with your wife. Remember an affair has 2 willing partners. My wager is you would have much ill will towards both unless it was also your life style.

1. Are you telling us that if your wife had an affair you would say, honey it's OK, I love your friend too?.All will be Joy and peace forever after.
2. That if we acknowledge that the Ten Commandments is still binding that we will not love and forgive others?

 

[Elder 111]

Must be why the pro law neighbor's garden failed and mine did very well.

Don't fool yourself. Abraham had to run to Egypt to escape drought. Was that because he had not been doing God's will?

 

[Elder 111]

All you've done is repeat the failed notion from your OP. You forgot that God didn't give you the Ten Commandments, and it was by His Hand that He took it away in order to extend His salvation to the Gentile nations. The result of your OP is to argue that God acted to abolish Himself.
You are wrong.

The problem is that that is what you are contending. For I have never stated that the law is abolished.

 

[Elder 111]

Considering He had not yet fulfilled the Law with His blood yet, that was probably good advice. God also didn't command Peter to eat that which was previously unclean at this point.

God never commandmed Peter to eat unclean foods. NEVER!!!!!

 

[Elder 111]

Why do you willfully and continually sin if this is the case? You will sing I promise. You have received the truth here from several and refuse it.

That is what we have been showing you all the time. The truth will set you free, that is a promise from God.

 

[Elder 111]

If indeed there were any doers of the law. The Scripture plainly says there are none even from the OT. Jesus proved the point with the rich young man.

The only point Jesus proved with the young rich ruler is that he still had riches before Jesus/God. Sell all and follow me, I can't do that Lord was his reaction.
Jesus stated that the same ten Commandments that is opposed is what the young man was to keep. Mat 19:
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Where did the young man fail? Certainly not in keeping the law!

 

[Elder 111]

Conversely, the latest trend is to cheapen His grace, nullify His fulfillment and render powerless His very sacrifice by saying that the same conditions apply as before He died and rose again... it's like His sacrifice was a waste to legalists.

Grace is not cheapen by the law. It is done so by the removal of the law!

 

[VictorC]

All you've done is repeat the failed notion from your OP. You forgot that God didn't give you the Ten Commandments, and it was by His Hand that He took it away in order to extend His salvation to the Gentile nations. The result of your OP is to argue that God acted to abolish Himself.
You are wrong.

The problem is that that is what you are contending. For I have never stated that the law is abolished.

No. Your contention is that God sought to abolish Himself when He acted to take away the Law by His own Hand (Hebrews 10:9). Whether or not you recognize this is immaterial at this point. The end result is a severe lack of faith in God's redemption on your part.

 

[VictorC]

That is what we have been showing you all the time. The truth will set you free, that is a promise from God.

Scripture is the final arbiter of truth, and you demonstrate wholesale rejection of the truth in your posts.

 

[VictorC]

Grace is not cheapen by the law. It is done so by the removal of the law!

That's what Adventism does, with their truncated rendition of sabbath "keeping" that doesn't keep the Sabbath holy according to the Mosaic covenant that ordained it. Adventism seeks to remove the Law and strip it of its Holiness, with the end result they see no reason for God's redemption.

Galatians 3
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.​

Adventism exists in a condition "before faith came", and their rejection of the Law hasn't driven them to their knees to seek the righteousness of God, which isn't attained by the Law.

 

[VictorC]

Grace is not cheapen by the law. It is done so by the removal of the law!

So the righteousness of God is indeed a waste of time to Adventists.

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.​

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the Sabbatarians participating in this thread ignore the cross of Christ and His propitiation. I agree with that.

 

[VictorC]

Don't fool yourself. Abraham had to run to Egypt to escape drought. Was that because he had not been doing God's will?

God never commandmed Peter to eat unclean foods. NEVER!!!!!

Both of these are in error. Displaying such Biblical illiteracy is alarming.

 

[maco]

Conversely, the latest trend is to cheapen His grace, nullify His fulfillment and render powerless His very sacrifice by saying that the same conditions apply as before He died and rose again... it's like His sacrifice was a waste to legalists.

To cheapen the grace of God is to use grace as a license to sin and sin is the transgression of the Law.

To cheapen the police officer's grace is to speed off spinning your wheels.

The grace of God does not do away with the Law, it allows us to obey it in spite of our short falls and weaknesses.

Simple isn't it?

 

[VictorC]

You are wrong on two counts here.

1. It is not the law of Moses, It is God's ten commandments written with his own hand.
2. It is not what you see/accept that counts but what God requires.

Do you really expect others to accept your notion that the Mosaic covenant wasn't the Law of Moses? That's what the Ten Commandments was, which in proper use is capitalized as a formal title that Moses called the covenant from Mount Sinai according to Deuteronomy 4:13. Jesus referred to the Law of Moses when He argued about the Sabbath (see John 7:23), and your ignorance of the titles used to refer to the Mosaic covenant isn't acceptable.

For your second bullet...
You don't have the Ten Commandments.
You never did as a Gentile in a foreign land.
God's redemption from the Ten Commandments (see Romans 7:6-7) does not in away way place us back under the jurisdiction of the Mosaic covenant, and the commandment to cast off the bondwoman covenant from Mount Sinai (Galatians 4:21-30) is one you are disobedient to. You want others to abide by what God requires, but reject your own instruction yourself.

Acts 13
38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.​

Care to comment on the Gospel Paul taught, which is in stark contrast to Ellen White's mythology?