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For once I agree this is a sick idea.Has God removed Himself from His throne? Why would God remove the principles of His government? Such as you should have no other god but me? It is a sick idea!
Grace means that it is a give that I can not achieve. If there is no law what do I need grace for? But for those who would see: with the law which all will confess we can not keep on our own, grace is given that we may be saved. The blood of Christ is presented on our behave because in our living we violate the law and would be guilty before God without Christ and Grace.So the righteousness of God is indeed a waste of time to Adventists.Romans 3Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the Sabbatarians participating in this thread ignore the cross of Christ and His propitiation. I agree with that.
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Your comments come only as an excuse to reject the epistle to the Galatians. Changing the Law Galatians refers to ignores it addressing the covenant from Mount Sinai in Galatians 4:21-30 - which as Moses testified was the Ten Commandments. Your confusion stems from Ellen White, who herself demonstrated her desperation concerning this epistle.You have no idea of what you are talking about. For the law spoken of here in Galatians is that concerning the earthly Sanctuary and sacrifices for sin etc. But with Christ there is no need of the sanctuary for Christ is the real thing. The high Priest and minster of the true sanctuary. Hebrews 7-10.
The law of the ten commandments could not be referred to Here for the same Hebrews 11 speaks of faith being in existence from the beginning even with Abel. The bible also demonstrates that the Ten commandments ever existed also.
It is great to know the truth indeed it sets you free! Not burdensome but free.
Did you think I wouldn't notice that you aren't responding to content?Grace means that it is a give that I can not achieve. If there is no law what do I need grace for? But for those who would see: with the law which all will confess we can not keep on our own, grace is given that we may be saved. The blood of Christ is presented on our behave because in our living we violate the law and would be guilty before God without Christ and Grace.
Romans 5:20 verifies that Grace abounds because of violating of the law. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Not according to Heb 4. I can not reject the word of God.God gave the ten to a specific people. The same to whom He gave the Law. He never mentioned a separation or that either was for gentiles
BornAgainBrian is correct. A feigned appeal to Hebrews 4 is nothing more than a desparate movement on your part to reject the Law.Not according to Heb 4. I can not reject the word of God.BornAgainBrian said:God gave the ten to a specific people. The same to whom He gave the Law. He never mentioned a separation or that either was for gentiles
I JUST MENTION ONE, THERE IS MORE THAN ONE. You don't know and yet you want to make others follow you blindly? Enslave in what? Going to church on any of the six days of the week for as long as we like is not slavery but if it is done on the day that God mentions it is slavery? The only day that God calls for is slavery? Marvelous indeed!!that doesn't speak to the plurality mentioned before, nor why it must be one and not the weekly one you try to enslave Christians with
What did God have attached to the ten commandments? Do you mean that when God gave them written with His own hand twice that He still forgot that they were not finished. A pity!You have not demonstrated that the ten commandments as a whole are for everyone while the law, given to the same people at near the same time, is for Israel.
it also is not what YOU see... And since God doesn't require this, there is no issue there
Bottom line: when faced with nouns in the plural tense, you lose all control. You've already been confronted with Israel's charge to abide by God's Sabbaths, and the Gospel's description of these same Sabbaths as shadows fulfilled in Christ. In the former you rejected the plural to insist it refers to only the weekly Sabbath, and in the latter you rejected the plural to insist it refers only to the annual Sabbaths. Your hyprocrisy is easily seen through.I JUST MENTION ONE, THERE IS MORE THAN ONE. You don't know and yet you want to make others follow you blindly? Enslave in what? Going to church on any of the six days of the week for as long as we like is not slavery but if it is done on the day that God mentions it is slavery? The only day that God calls for is slavery? Marvelous indeed!!
BornAgainBrian said:You have not demonstrated that the ten commandments as a whole are for everyone while the law, given to the same people at near the same time, is for Israel.
it also is not what YOU see... And since God doesn't require this, there is no issue there
Others are looking through your hypocrisy with utter transparency. Shouldn't you do something other than question Scripture as a response?What did God have attached to the ten commandments? Do you mean that when God gave them written with His own hand twice that He still forgot that they were not finished. A pity!
That is the biggest lie! There is no promotion of being save by ones own works!! There is the fact that because we are saved we do as God required which is shown in His Holy Ten Commandments law.If you are saved by your own amazing works of the law, what need is there for grace?
There is no removal but fulfillment... except that even you have admitted to requirement to keep it all.
In this short post you openly contradict yourself when concluding your salvation is based on your own performance of compliance to the old covenant from Mount Sinai. The Memory Hole confirms this soteriology you appeal to:That is the biggest lie! There is no promotion of being save by ones own works!! There is the fact that because we are saved we do as God required which is shown in His Holy Ten Commandments law.
Old-covenant "christianity" is a oxymoron that doesn't exist in reality.Salvation by grace through faith requires the keeping of the 10 C"s.
In other words Paul is calling the keeping of the law as rubbish.In this short post you openly contradict yourself when concluding your salvation is based on your own performance of compliance to the old covenant from Mount Sinai. Old-covenant "christianity" is a oxymoron that doesn't exist in reality.Philippians 3
7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
You are much to late with such a statement. Both you and your prophetess have already been quoted making you self contradictory.That is the biggest lie! There is no promotion of being save by ones own works!! There is the fact that because we are saved we do as God required which is shown in His Holy Ten Commandments law.
How many commandments did you say were on the stones?Originally Posted by Elder 111
Originally Posted by Elder 111
If God did not want the whole of the ten would he not have said so? Heb. 4:8.
Not according to Heb 4. I can not reject the word of God.
Falsely making it a requirement of God is enslavement by your religion.I JUST MENTION ONE, THERE IS MORE THAN ONE. You don't know and yet you want to make others follow you blindly? Enslave in what? Going to church on any of the six days of the week for as long as we like is not slavery but if it is done on the day that God mentions it is slavery? The only day that God calls for is slavery? Marvelous indeed!!
Nothing but unsupported and unprovable conjecture.You have no idea of what you are talking about. For the law spoken of here in Galatians is that concerning the earthly Sanctuary and sacrifices for sin etc. But with Christ there is no need of the sanctuary for Christ is the real thing. The high Priest and minster of the true sanctuary. Hebrews 7-10.
The law of the ten commandments could not be referred to Here for the same Hebrews 11 speaks of faith being in existence from the beginning even with Abel. The bible also demonstrates that the Ten commandments ever existed also.
It is great to know the truth indeed it sets you free! Not burdensome but free.
That is the biggest lie! There is no promotion of being save by ones own works!! There is the fact that because we are saved we do as God required which is shown in His Holy Ten Commandments law.
Just wait till you see their gymnastics to both explain away obligation to but the 10 and at the same time bind people to dietary laws.Once again... where in Scripture is the ten commandment law held to Christians while the mosaic law is not? Where is your proof of this fact?
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