Jesus abolished the entire Old Testament.

[Elder 111]

Look you can trample on and belittle me all you like. I am tired of your trampling on the Scripture. That is why I am not posting much Scripture. If you know the Scripture you know exactly what I am referring to and am solidly based on the Scripture.

It is not based on scripture. It is what you want not what God states.

 

[listed]

It is not based on scripture. It is what you want not what God states.

No, I have seen and read the pro and con arguments here at CF and still am on the side of grace which you want every time the law convicts you of sin. Every time you sin you run from the law instead of submit to it. Do you care to explain this phenomenon? Remember not a jot nor tittle has past from the law.

 

[listed]

That is what the bible says. Why are you insisting on saying that i want you to do this or that? It is what God says, why are you missing that!

Why are you posting here at CF? Are you seeking at the least to cause others to be law compliant? You did not answer any of the questions in my previous post. Well at least I can not connect your comments to my questions. I suspect you will not answer the questions of this post either. It might cause you to face the truth.

 

[VictorC]

Heb 7 speaks of the priesthood, period!

I made a choice long ago to abide by Scripture, and question opinions that can't be reconciled with Holy Writ. God's disposition is on the Law en toto, and not subsets as you opine.

 

[VictorC]

I said the 10 C's where you get this Moses covenant from?

It is clear that you don't know what the Ten Commandments was. That is hardly a defense in a theological discussion.

 

[VictorC]

Deliverance from the law does not mean the law is abolished.

Here you admit you've been purposely misrepresenting the narrative of Romans 7. It addresses the Jewish believer's relationship with the Law ("for I speak to those who know the law", v.1) that held them in the past tense. The Law kept the recipients until the fullness of time, and you will also see the Gospel summarized this way in the first 7 verses of Galatians 4.

 

[Revelations2]

Old Testament Abolished? Think again.........


Matthew5:
17[bless and do not curse]¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[bless and do not curse]18[bless and do not curse]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[bless and do not curse]19[bless and do not curse]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[bless and do not curse]20[bless and do not curse]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

What Christ taught in the above should be the authoritative answer.

Jeremiah 50:
[bless and do not curse]5[bless and do not curse]They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.

Jeremiah clearly points out that the covenant is perpetual and should NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.

Jeremiah 31:
31[bless and do not curse]¶Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[bless and do not curse]32[bless and do not curse]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
[bless and do not curse]33[bless and do not curse]But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

We should remember that God did not brake His original covenant, but it was man that broke the covenant.

Do we fully understand the new covenant given by the Lord?

Hebrews 8:
7[bless and do not curse]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[bless and do not curse]8[bless and do not curse]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[bless and do not curse]9[bless and do not curse]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[bless and do not curse]10[bless and do not curse]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[bless and do not curse]11[bless and do not curse]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[bless and do not curse]12[bless and do not curse]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
[bless and do not curse]13[bless and do not curse]In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 10:
16[bless and do not curse]This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Galations 3:
17[bless and do not curse]And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
[bless and do not curse]18[bless and do not curse]For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[bless and do not curse]19[bless and do not curse]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[bless and do not curse]20[bless and do not curse]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[bless and do not curse]21[bless and do not curse]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
[bless and do not curse]22[bless and do not curse]But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.


[bless and do not curse]23[bless and do not curse]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[bless and do not curse]24[bless and do not curse]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[bless and do not curse]25[bless and do not curse]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[bless and do not curse]26[bless and do not curse]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[bless and do not curse]27[bless and do not curse]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[bless and do not curse]28[bless and do not curse]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[bless and do not curse]29[bless and do not curse]And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Here, Paul clearly taught when speaking to Abraham’s seed that the law “cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.”

Revelation 22:
[bless and do not curse]18[bless and do not curse]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[bless and do not curse]19[bless and do not curse]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

John clearly taught that “man” cannot add to or take from the word of God. That can only be done by God Himself or by revelation to His prophets.

 

[Elder 111]

No, I have seen and read the pro and con arguments here at CF and still am on the side of grace which you want every time the law convicts you of sin. Every time you sin you run from the law instead of submit to it. Do you care to explain this phenomenon? Remember not a jot nor tittle has past from the law.

Noah had grace. Gen.6:8 did God run from Grace to Law? We need grace because we violate the law! You are blinded by the idea that as soon as law is mention that salvation by law is the case but it never is. Salvation by grace through faith requires the keeping of the 10 C"s. Romans 3: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Elder 111]

Why are you posting here at CF? Are you seeking at the least to cause others to be law compliant? You did not answer any of the questions in my previous post. Well at least I can not connect your comments to my questions. I suspect you will not answer the questions of this post either. It might cause you to face the truth.

Which is what you refuse to do unlike Paul on the rod to Damascus.

 

[VictorC]

We need grace because we violate the law! You are blinded by the idea that as soon as law is mention that salvation by law is the case but it never is. Salvation by grace through faith requires the keeping of the 10 C"s.

This doesn't describe grace at all. You merely affirm Adventism's soteriology by works of the Law, concurrent with your admission you aren't compliant. That I can spot this problem in the time it took to read it doesn't give you reason to attribute blindness to someone else.

It is merely a personal attack you engage in. Your argument is rubbish marked with logical fallacies.

Romans 3: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Once you get past reading one lonely verse, you will find 3 verses later that the Law established by the inspired author quotes Genesis 15:6, 430 years before the Ten Commandments existed, and demonstrates righteousness imputed to Abraham by faith. That's the Law's testimony, and your confused soteriology simply contradicts it. In fact, once you put Romans 3:31 back into its context, you will find you're contradicting the entire passage beginning with "the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets" in v.3:21.

 

[listed]

Deliverance from the law does not mean the law is abolished.

How can deliverance from mean subject to?

 

[listed]

I said the 10 C's where you get this Moses covenant from?

That is what the Scripture calls it.

 

[listed]

That is what the bible says. Why are you insisting on saying that i want you to do this or that? It is what God says, why are you missing that!

Because it is true. If I were to do so your tune would change drastically.

 

[listed]

Noah had grace. Gen.6:8 did God run from Grace to Law? We need grace because we violate the law! You are blinded by the idea that as soon as law is mention that salvation by law is the case but it never is. Salvation by grace through faith requires the keeping of the 10 C"s. Romans 3: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The grace that Noah had has absolutely nothing to do with the law. Your argument fails again.

Like has been said to me you have nothing from the Scripture to back up such a statement.

What you are really saying with your quoted verse is we enforce the law or the law is a requirement of salvation. Sorry but that is not the case even for the casual reader.

 

[listed]

Refuse to do what? be law compliant? Why? It has nothing to do with acquiring or maintaining salvation. If you want some Scripture I point you to Gal 5 which is very clear.

 

[listed]

Which is what you refuse to do unlike Paul on the rod to Damascus.

Please read above post for the response to this. I have no idea why your quote did not post with my response.

 

[Elder 111]

This doesn't describe grace at all. You merely affirm Adventism's soteriology by works of the Law, concurrent with your admission you aren't compliant. That I can spot this problem in the time it took to read it doesn't give you reason to attribute blindness to someone else.

It is merely a personal attack you engage in. Your argument is rubbish marked with logical fallacies.

Once you get past reading one lonely verse, you will find 3 verses later that the Law established by the inspired author quotes Genesis 15:6, 430 years before the Ten Commandments existed, and demonstrates righteousness imputed to Abraham by faith. That's the Law's testimony, and your confused soteriology simply contradicts it. In fact, once you put Romans 3:31 back into its context, you will find you're contradicting the entire passage beginning with "the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets" in v.3:21.

The law always was even before Abraham. That is a fact!

 

[listed]

The law always was even before Abraham. That is a fact!

Elder where is your Scripture to back this huey up?

 

[Elder 111]

How can deliverance from mean subject to?

Simple, What is the first Commandment? Tell me that you are deliver from this!
Ex 20:3 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

 

[Elder 111]

This doesn't describe grace at all. You merely affirm Adventism's soteriology by works of the Law, concurrent with your admission you aren't compliant. That I can spot this problem in the time it took to read it doesn't give you reason to attribute blindness to someone else.

It is merely a personal attack you engage in. Your argument is rubbish marked with logical fallacies.

Once you get past reading one lonely verse, you will find 3 verses later that the Law established by the inspired author quotes Genesis 15:6, 430 years before the Ten Commandments existed, and demonstrates righteousness imputed to Abraham by faith. That's the Law's testimony, and your confused soteriology simply contradicts it. In fact, once you put Romans 3:31 back into its context, you will find you're contradicting the entire passage beginning with "the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets" in v.3:21.

Tell me that you violate this and still be righteous or that Abraham did.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;