An atheists world

[And-U-Say]

That would have created a puppet world with no free will.

Then what about heaven? Isn't heaven a place where there is no sin? If there is no sin, then it is a puppet world. If you claim heaven is not a puppet world, then why no do the same thing here on earth and thus, not be a puppet world.

Christian theology is so screwed up when you actually think about it and ask questions.

 

[CabVet]

Wrong verb.

Man became flawed.

God is omnipotent.

Yet he cannot create a perfect human.

 

[AV1611VET]

They say...

They also say...

What do you say?

 

[bhsmte]

Wrong verb.

Man became flawed.

God is omnipotent.

Can't have it both ways. If God made man (that became flawed) and he knows what is going to happen (because he is never caught off guard), then that is exactly what he wanted, flawed man.

If he is omnipotent, he intentionally made man to become flawed. Or, he is not omnipotent and he was not able to create anything that wasn't flawed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yet he cannot create a perfect human.

Somehow, I don't consider you an authority on perfection.

 

[bhsmte]

Somehow, I don't consider you an authority on perfection.

I don't believe you would be either.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can't have it both ways.

Oh, I think so.

If God made man (that became flawed) and he knows what is going to happen (because he is never caught off guard), then that is exactly what he wanted, flawed man.

Nope.

You're overlooking freewill.

If he is omnipotent, he intentionally made man to become flawed.

You are not making sense at all.

What does omnipotence have to do with flaws?

Or, he is not omnipotent and he was not able to create anything that wasn't flawed.

Again: wrong verb tense.

Show me a flawed Adam & Eve prior to Genesis 3.

If someone scratches the Mona Lisa, does that mean Leonardo da Vinci created a flawed painting?

 

[bhsmte]

Oh, I think so.

Nope.

You're overlooking freewill.

You are not making sense at all.

What does omnipotence have to do with flaws?

Again: wrong verb tense.

Show me a flawed Adam & Eve prior to Genesis 3.

If someone scratches the Mona Lisa, does that mean Leonardo da Vinci created a flawed painting?

Can't sidestep this on AV, its all out on the table for all to see.

 

[Loudmouth]

God COULD have known. He also can choose NOT to know.

So now you know God's thoughts? It's starting to get a little deep in here.

Some choose to sin, some hoose not to sin. It is their choice.

The sins of a person's ancestors is not their choice, and yet they are punished with painful diseases and plagues for choices they never made, according to your theology. That seems like a very immoral system to me.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

If you are going to use that against us; would you prefer we move it to the forefront?

No, it would be better for you to drop the threats completely, of course.

Mentioning ≠ enjoying; nor is mentioning ≠ seem to be enjoying.

True, but creationists often have a vengeful "you just wait" air about them when they bring out their threats.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Oh, I think so.

Nope.

You're overlooking freewill.

You are not making sense at all.

What does omnipotence have to do with flaws?

Again: wrong verb tense.

Show me a flawed Adam & Eve prior to Genesis 3.

If someone scratches the Mona Lisa, does that mean Leonardo da Vinci created a flawed painting?

Poor old AV1611VET.

 

[AV1611VET]

True, but creationists often have a vengeful "you just wait" air about them when they bring out their threats.

Big deal.

One subset of creationists refers to us as the "Great Satan."

What's your point?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Big deal.

One subset of creationists refers to us as the "Great Satan."

What's your point?

The unchristian air of malevolence.

 

[EternalDragon]

Then what about heaven? Isn't heaven a place where there is no sin? If there is no sin, then it is a puppet world. If you claim heaven is not a puppet world, then why no do the same thing here on earth and thus, not be a puppet world.

Christian theology is so screwed up when you actually think about it and ask questions.

You still have free will in heaven. But it will be as Adam and Eve were created to be. Innocent for lack of a better word. Not tempted.

You can still whatever you want to. Except for sinful behavior like killing, stealing, getting drunk, etc. I don't know about you but I don't do too much sinning here on earth and I like my life. Maybe you do bad things or you like it. That is something you'll have to think hard about.

 

[Skaloop]

You still have free will in heaven. But it will be as Adam and Eve were created to be. Innocent for lack of a better word. Not tempted.

You can still whatever you want to. Except for sinful behavior like killing, stealing, getting drunk, etc. I don't know about you but I don't do too much sinning here on earth and I like my life. Maybe you do bad things or you like it. That is something you'll have to think hard about.

If we can have free will in Heaven except for sinful behaviour, why can't we have free will now except for sinful behaviour?

 

[EternalDragon]

If we can have free will in Heaven except for sinful behaviour, why can't we have free will now except for sinful behaviour?

We do.

Oh, maybe you mean why do people still sin here on earth? Lucifer is down here tempting people and we still have sinful bodies on a cursed earth. That's why. In heaven Christians will have new bodies and the devil is not there. He will be chained up after the judgement.

 

[Loudmouth]

Lucifer is down here tempting people and we still have sinful bodies on a cursed earth. That's why.

So we are forced to sin?

 

[RedRover]

So we are forced to sin?

Everything is based on the concept that you have a choice. When flip wilson said the devil made me do it everyone laughed because everyone knows that the devil can not make anyone do anything they do not want to do.

 

[Loudmouth]

Everything is based on the concept that you have a choice.

So when did I have the choice to be born without sin? Also, people are claiming that if the Devil tempts us we have to sin. That is why there is sin in the world but not in heaven.

When flip wilson said the devil made me do it everyone laughed because everyone knows that the devil can not make anyone do anything they do not want to do.

Then people should be laughing at the arguments being put forward by theists.

 

[Split Rock]

We do.

Oh, maybe you mean why do people still sin here on earth? Lucifer is down here tempting people and we still have sinful bodies on a cursed earth. That's why. In heaven Christians will have new bodies and the devil is not there. He will be chained up after the judgement.

So, one more time... why did God drop his rebel trash on us to tempt us again???