An atheists world (2)

[toolmanjantzi]

Nobody ever said that happened.

"The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice."

Richard Dawkins

 

[kellhus]

"The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice."

Richard Dawkins

Fallacy of quoting out of context - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.[1]
Arguments based on this fallacy typically take two forms. As a straw man argument, which is frequently found in politics, it involves quoting an opponent out of context in order to misrepresent their position (typically to make it seem more simplistic or extreme) in order to make it easier to refute. As an appeal to authority, it involves quoting an authority on the subject out of context, in order to misrepresent that authority as supporting some position.[2]

 

[Subduction Zone]

"The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice."

Richard Dawkins

As has been pointed out, that was out of context.

But a universe from nothing actually makes sense:


Krauss '09: "A Universe From Nothing" - YouTube

 

[toolmanjantzi]

No, my evidence is not based on text books. What made you think that? I see that you have never taken a science class. My answers are correct because anyone who repeats an experiment that I describe correctly will get the same result.

I seriously doubt that you can do the same with your Bible.

One strand of information did not suddenly appear out of nothing. You clearly don't understand either evolution or abiogenesis.

You cannot debunk an idea that you do not understand.

You've done exactly what I've done to be saved?

First, salvation is not based on me. Secondly, if you copied the exact life that I lived, how would you not come to the same beliefs as me?

Thanks for telling me that a strand of information did not suddenly appear. That would not even fit into the evolutionary propaganda. It appeared over 4.5 billion years, right?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Well, that makes no sense at all. Rambling about pain, reproductive rights, genitalia, abortion, God, fetal cognition.

Intelligence

1 a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason ; also : the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests) b Christian Science : the basic eternal quality of divine Mind c : mental acuteness

You failed.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Your evidence is based on text books, science journals and they have been written by men.

As far we know, holy books have been written by men also. Yet they hold some privileged status to some.

Care to explain why the bible is not proof for my answers, but your answers are correct based on books. If the answers are based on observation, where is the difference based on Christian observation?

Do you seriously require someone to explain to you the difference between religious texts and scientific texts?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

So are you saying that since 2/3 of the people in the world believe that your God is not the real God is that evidence he does not exist?

Yes.

 

[lasthero]

"The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice."

Richard Dawkins

A lone quote without even the slightest bit of context.

Well, I see no reason to not take that at face value.

Also, even without the context, he's not saying anything came from nothing.

He said 'nearly' nothing.

Nearly. Nearly nothing is not the same as nothing. In fact, nearly nothing...is something.

And here's a question - what is 'nothing'?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You've done exactly what I've done to be saved?

How do we know that you have been saved? This debate is about objective evidence. It does not matter what you or I believe for objective evidence. It is the same either way. So you have already admitted failure.

First, salvation is not based on me. Secondly, if you copied the exact life that I lived, how would you not come to the same beliefs as me?

Again we are talking about objective evidence. You are still failing.

Thanks for telling me that a strand of information did not suddenly appear. That would not even fit into the evolutionary propaganda. It appeared over 4.5 billion years, right?

What "evolutionary propaganda"? Life evolved, that is rather obvious. All of the observable evidence supports the theory of evolution. To date no one has shown any evidence for creation.

I am still waiting.

 

[kellhus]

Intelligence

1 a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason ; also : the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests) b Christian Science : the basic eternal quality of divine Mind c : mental acuteness

You failed.

I'm sorry I don't do a good job of interpreting a post that appears characteristically schizophrenic in how random and disconnected it is. Most people don't.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Intelligence

1 a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason ; also : the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests) b Christian Science : the basic eternal quality of divine Mind c : mental acuteness

You failed.

Quit talking to your mirror.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

As has been pointed out, that was out of context.

But a universe from nothing actually makes sense:

Krauss '09: "A Universe From Nothing" - YouTube

So your saying "no one has said that"?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

As far we know, holy books have been written by men also. Yet they hold some privileged status to some.

Do you seriously require someone to explain to you the difference between religious texts and scientific texts?

Please take the time to do so; if it helps you understand the conversation better.

 

[lasthero]

YOU'RE.

You are.

YOU'RE.

Stop doing that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes.

That's interesting. The first Christian ever to admit that his God is subject to a popular vote.

So, according to toolmanjantzi since most people don't believe in his God he does not exist.

In some ways I actually agree with him.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

A lone quote without even the slightest bit of context.

Well, I see no reason to not take that at face value.

Also, even without the context, he's not saying anything came from nothing.

He said 'nearly' nothing.

Nearly. Nearly nothing is not the same as nothing. In fact, nearly nothing...is something.

And here's a question - what is 'nothing'?

The absence of God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So your saying "no one has said that"?

You did not take time to watch the video.

You can't comment on that until then.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The absence of God.

So now our universe is nothing since no one can agree on a god.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Please take the time to do so; if it helps you understand the conversation better.

I know better than to cast pearls before trolls. Have a good day.

 

[lasthero]

The absence of God.

Well, that's vague and meaningless.