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Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by gzt, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. gzt

    gzt The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.07 billion years

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  2. rusmeister

    rusmeister A Russified American Orthodox Chestertonian

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    I think we can agree that seeing the Faith as magic is bad. Magic is "If I do thus-and-so, X will happen"; ie, the miraculous happens at your will as an essentially guaranteed result of your action. Attacking that is right.
    The error is in putting human reason on the same level as faith. We ARE called to be as wise as serpents, and "to have a good answer", but that's the extent to the promotion of intellect in the Church.
    Maybe I'm mistaken, but the thing you seem to not want to see is that the intellect is also the prime path for heresy, and that though reason IS God-given, it is also a Fallen faculty, and is something that can be used against the Truth as well as for it. We are enjoined to have faith hundreds of times in Scripture; we are hardly ever enjoined to be merely reasonable. Plus, you've ignored nearly all of the reason I have ever put in front of you, choosing the reason of the secular education system that belongs to the prince of this world and what it produces. No, we should NOT place Harvard professors on a pedestal equal to the apostles, saints and fathers, all the more because the overwhelming majority of them are now at war with our Faith. As a famous fat man once said,
    “Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.”
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  3. TheLostCoin

    TheLostCoin A Lonesome Coin Supporter

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    But bro, don't you know that all of our ideas, social roles, and behaviors are arbitrarily, unreasonably constructed, not at all rooted in our nature or biology, and we can transcend what it means to be human by social engineering?

    I'm just an objective scientist without any non-falsifiable philosophical presuppositions dude.
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  4. gzt

    gzt The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.07 billion years

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    This is somehow related to something somebody here believes?