An appeal to fundamentalists

[catlover]

That is error, pure and simple. We follow the Word of God as written and lean not unto our own understanding as God warns against. He anoints people to teach and through them, His Word and through other sisters and brothers in Christ, by His Holy Spirit, He speaks truth to our hearts.



Homosexuality is breeding self-appointed prophets!

John 3:16 is where it's at, without anyone reading into it! What are "older churches" ? The Body of Christ since the beginning has put forth the gospel as stated in John 3:16!! There is no older Church.



The Bible is what I believe. My opinions are all based on it! So your accusation rings hollow and rolls off my back...

I have no former theology such as Catholicism that I am renouncing in order to believe God's Word. There are no former beliefs that influence the pure Word to my heart. I was blessed to be raised on it!

Hate to burst your bubble but your theology is new...the "older churches" are The Roman Catholic and The Orthodox Christian Churches.

Your new theology came to be from mass literacy, not from some revelation from God. So what you post is your opinion not God's.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Hate to burst your bubble but your theology is new...the "older churches" are The Roman Catholic and The Orthodox Christian Churches.

Your new theology came to be from mass literacy, not from some revelation from God. So what you post is your opinion not God's.

Actually I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ. It started with Him...way before Catholicism. My opinions come from Jesus and His way!

Thanks, anyway!

 

[BreadAlone]

Actually I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ. It started with Him...way before Catholicism. My opinions come from Jesus and His way!

Thanks, anyway!

to that!!

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Hate to burst your bubble but your theology is new...the "older churches" are The Roman Catholic and The Orthodox Christian Churches.

Your new theology came to be from mass literacy, not from some revelation from God. So what you post is your opinion not God's.

And is mass literacy a bad thing? Isn't it better for people to be able to accompany the teachings given to them by church leaders in hand with what they can read themselves? That ability in itself helps avoid people getting caught up in the "Jesus told me to tell you to.." syndrome.

 

[Psalms 119 v 105]

First off, I want to say that I am thrilled to see the defense of christian values and ideals at work within these forums.

My appeal is to fundamentalists, who in most ways I am like-minded and agree with. I want each and every one of you, who defend our faith, to please remember our place. While we may often be on the front lines of our battle for Christ, we have to remember our place in that battle.

We are called to witness for Christ, right? I can sum that up in 2 different statements.

1. We are to be a witness to the truth of the gospel, and the truth of scripture. In doing so we may have to defend it.

2. As witnesses, we not only outwardly witness for Christ, we are also to emulate and radiate Him in our works.

That being said, we should all be persistent in re-evaluating how we handle these situations, as we must hold fast to the truth, yet still radiate compassion and love for everyone, regardless of how misguided or against Christ we think they are.

The reason being? Because we are not put here to judge. If we condemn someone in our hearts, it is the same as if we threw the rocks ourselves. Therefore we should be very careful not to let ourselves get carried away while we are defending the truth. God is the one who deals with rejection of His word, we are just to preach, teach, and live it.


Here's a scenario:

You are volunteering at a hospital. The first thing you do is go over your list of duties for the day, and it merely says: Visit with patients in room 1 and room 2. So you're on your way, you enter room 1. You see a sickly man lying there, and he is dying of AIDS. He tells you that he misses his wife, and that he'd do anything to play with his children one last time. How would you treat this man?


Moving on, you go to the next room, #2. You see a sickly man lying in bed, dying of AIDS. He tells you that he's been misunderstood and rejected his entire life, because of his sexuality, and that he'd do anything just to be happy one last time.
How would you treat this man?

As a Christian, the answers to both should be exactly the same. With compassion and love. The truth of God brings enough of its own condemnation, it does not need our help in doing so. We are here to love each other, and even if I have to write a sticky note to stick to each and every one of our foreheads, I will make sure that we all understand it.

Great Post! God has been pressing me about this very issue.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Great Post! God has been pressing me about this very issue.

I continually pray for Him to give us the discernment and wisdom to handle these very issues with compassion and love. I beg that all other christians do the same.

 

[catlover]

And is mass literacy a bad thing? Isn't it better for people to be able to accompany the teachings given to them by church leaders in hand with what they can read themselves? That ability in itself helps avoid people getting caught up in the "Jesus told me to tell you to.." syndrome.

Mass literacy changed Christians beliefs and Christianity. I am not saying it's bad--but to pick up a Bible with Jesus' words in red and saying, "This is the truth." is off base.

Word of Faith theology is from modern Western capitalism~it is certainly not something that existed during Biblical times.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Mass literacy changed Christians beliefs and Christianity. I am not saying it's bad--but to pick up a Bible with Jesus' words in red and saying, "This is the truth." is off base.

Word of Faith theology is from modern Western capitalism~it is certainly not something that existed during Biblical times.

Wrong. It is more akin to the faith of the first churches than any.

 

[Tenebrae]

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[catlover]

Wrong. It is more akin to the faith of the first churches than any.

If you want to believe that-it's your prerogative-

 

[Floatingaxe]

If you want to believe that-it's your prerogative-

I believe it because it is true.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Mass literacy changed Christians beliefs and Christianity. I am not saying it's bad--but to pick up a Bible with Jesus' words in red and saying, "This is the truth." is off base.

If the words of Christ are not the truth, then what, pray tell, is, fellow Christian?

 

[Phinehas2]

Mass literacy changed Christians beliefs and Christianity. I am not saying it's bad--but to pick up a Bible with Jesus' words in red and saying, "This is the truth." is off base.

Word of Faith theology is from modern Western capitalism~it is certainly not something that existed during Biblical times.

Well without faith one cant please God and Jesus said after Thomas's doubts, blessed are those who believe and have not seen.
Sorry but I think you are judging movements of Christianity. The whole story of God and His people is about faith. Its knowing what God's purpose is, Jesus said ask and receive, if this is modern western Christianity its back to what Jesus properly taught.
Furthermore I cant let your comment go unchallenged, if you dont believe the words of Christ are the truth you must be a non-believer.

 

[Hockley]

Well without faith one cant please God and Jesus said after Thomas's doubts, blessed are those who believe and have not seen.
Sorry but I think you are judging movements of Christianity. The whole story of God and His people is about faith. Its knowing what God's purpose is, Jesus said ask and receive, if this is modern western Christianity its back to what Jesus properly taught.
Furthermore I cant let your comment go unchallenged, if you dont believe the words of Christ are the truth you must be a non-believer.

I think what might be being suggested here is that one has a responsibility to study and grow in understanding, wanting to avoid the Christian cliche syndrome.

 

[IamRedeemed]

That is a great post Jet. And in that scenario there is no doubt, that any Christian here that I know of would perform their witness for Christ in that way. But we have to deal with context, and the beautiful and ideal context of your scenario is quite a contrast from what we find in this forum isn't it? I mean let's compare apples to apples instead of bananas to applesauce.

So, in the context of the scenario we actually have here in these forums, what were Jesus' instructions?

Let's take a look at Matthew 18:15-17, because this applies whether the person is sinning against you personally or just in sin period, because they claim to be blood bought children of God and therefore, Matthew 18:15-17 is compatible with James 5:19-20, which is "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Matthew 18:15-17
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear you, then take with you one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto you as an heathen man and a publican.


This goes along also with Titus 3:10-11
A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sins, being condemned of himself.


The Bible says that those who say they know the Lord but live in disobedience, (sin, defiance, rebellion), are liars and the truth is not in them (1 John 3:4)

The problem is, is that many of us stick in too long, when the Word tells us, if you are not received (in other words, His Word by you as a messenger) is not received (it doesn't matter if they say they are Christians, all the more reason they would want to and should listen to His Word and heed it when they hear it) that we should shake dust our feet as a testimony unto them and take our peace back with us. Too many of us, do not do this.

Luke 9:5
And whosoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

Jesus always said, " Let those who have ears to hear, hear it."

Those that don't have ears to hear His Word will remain lost. Their arguments will never change God's position, and the judgments God has already made to determine what is and what is not sin.

Telling people the judgments God has already made, is not judging, it is informing, but if they have already been informed and they reject it, and they have heard it through several mouths and been shown it in the Word and reject it, then we are to pack our pearls. That's it. There is nothing more to be done there. To continue arguing, is foolish and only leads to more ungodliness. We should also avoid allowing the conversation to become personal. Stick to the Word of God. If they won't hear it, then they do not have ears to hear. Doesn't mean you have to stop talking in the forum, but stop talking to the same people. If there is a new person, present them with Word, ignore the other posters that have already proven they don't care what the Word of God says, if you have already been there and done that with them.

God bless

First off, I want to say that I am thrilled to see the defense of christian values and ideals at work within these forums.

My appeal is to fundamentalists, who in most ways I am like-minded and agree with. I want each and every one of you, who defend our faith, to please remember our place. While we may often be on the front lines of our battle for Christ, we have to remember our place in that battle.

We are called to witness for Christ, right? I can sum that up in 2 different statements.

1. We are to be a witness to the truth of the gospel, and the truth of scripture. In doing so we may have to defend it.

2. As witnesses, we not only outwardly witness for Christ, we are also to emulate and radiate Him in our works.

That being said, we should all be persistent in re-evaluating how we handle these situations, as we must hold fast to the truth, yet still radiate compassion and love for everyone, regardless of how misguided or against Christ we think they are.

The reason being? Because we are not put here to judge. If we condemn someone in our hearts, it is the same as if we threw the rocks ourselves. Therefore we should be very careful not to let ourselves get carried away while we are defending the truth. God is the one who deals with rejection of His word, we are just to preach, teach, and live it.


Here's a scenario:

You are volunteering at a hospital. The first thing you do is go over your list of duties for the day, and it merely says: Visit with patients in room 1 and room 2. So you're on your way, you enter room 1. You see a sickly man lying there, and he is dying of AIDS. He tells you that he misses his wife, and that he'd do anything to play with his children one last time. How would you treat this man?


Moving on, you go to the next room, #2. You see a sickly man lying in bed, dying of AIDS. He tells you that he's been misunderstood and rejected his entire life, because of his sexuality, and that he'd do anything just to be happy one last time.
How would you treat this man?

As a Christian, the answers to both should be exactly the same. With compassion and love. The truth of God brings enough of its own condemnation, it does not need our help in doing so. We are here to love each other, and even if I have to write a sticky note to stick to each and every one of our foreheads, I will make sure that we all understand it.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Well without faith one cant please God and Jesus said after Thomas's doubts, blessed are those who believe and have not seen.
Sorry but I think you are judging movements of Christianity. The whole story of God and His people is about faith. Its knowing what God's purpose is, Jesus said ask and receive, if this is modern western Christianity its back to what Jesus properly taught.
Furthermore I cant let your comment go unchallenged, if you dont believe the words of Christ are the truth you must be a non-believer.

I watched a movie last night that said something that made alot of sense to me. The man that was playing a modern Jesus ask a crippled man if he had faith to be healed, and the man said he always had faith. Then Jesus told him to believe and reached for the mans crutches, the man said wait, no don't take the crutches , Jesus looked him in the eyes and said believe. The man released the crutches and was healed.

I think we not only have to have the faith that God can keep His Word from misinterpatation and biases, but also believe.

There is a difference in just having faith and having faith and believing. If we can't believe the words written in red then how can we be sure that the plan of salvation we believe He has given us is correct?

Someone please tell me how we can believe of His love and teach the scriptures that tell us to love God first and then love our neighbor second if we can't believe the rest of it? What makes us so sure that those scriptures are correct but the others aren't?

Is the Bible really full of half truths and lies mixed with alittle truth?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Is the Bible really full of half truths and lies mixed with alittle truth?

I've questioned this at times, but the answer always stays the same. Truth doesn't lie, it enlightens. It doesn't confound or befuddle, it gives saving clarity.