Amillennialism

LittleLambofJesus said:

I haven't really studied too much on that either. I would just do a google search.
Ok, back to the Amill topic ehehehe

http://classic.scriptures.lds.org/en/biblemaps/13

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Thanks...i'll try to catch McGee on his teachings of Paul.

On another note i'm an Amillennialist.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Will enjoy hearing you input.
I am locked and loaded! to defend the amill view ehehe

Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a Man of War/Warrior;
the LORD is His name

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LOL!

By the way, i gotta see that movie.

LLOJ, I just re-read a thread I started in 2013 about Full Preterism. What a trip.

You were in it too. Obviously my views on eschatology have changed.

I think eschatology is the ONLY area of doctrine where I have changed.

The following link contains an excellent article on Amillennial Eschatology by Anthony Hoekema.

https://www.the-highway.com/amilc_Hoekema.html

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good stuff from Hoekema

LittleLambofJesus said:

This was posted on another thread.

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One problem with the 1000 years following the end of the world is the bible mentions only 2 worlds. This present evil world, and the world to come. Jesus' kingdom is not of this present evil world and the world to come is perfect and eternal, not 1000 years of sin, death and war.

The kingdom is here spiritually but only the born again can see it.

“Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”” (John 3:3)

Dave L said:

One problem with the 1000 years following the end of the world is the bible mentions only 2 worlds. This present evil world, and the world to come. Jesus' kingdom is not of this present evil world and the world to come is perfect and eternal, not 1000 years of sin, death and war.

The kingdom is here spiritually but only the born again can see it.

“Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”” (John 3:3)

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That's pretty severe on people who are not born again ! They cannot see the kingdom of God, nor even understand it or grasp it .....

That being the case, how can they escape the kingdom of this world/ the flesh, when it holds to various deceptions ?

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I know Jesus' words make quite an impact. The Pharisees looked for a physical kingdom, a kingdom of sight and not of faith. And this is one of the reasons they rejected Jesus. He didn't match their "Millennial theory". But consider:

“Now at one point the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God was coming, so he answered, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”” (Luke 17:20–21)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

Dave L said:

I know Jesus' words make quite an impact. The Pharisees looked for a physical kingdom, a kingdom of sight and not of faith. And this is one of the reasons they rejected Jesus. He didn't match their "Millennial theory". But consider:

“Now at one point the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God was coming, so he answered, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”” (Luke 17:20–21)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

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Correct, we know this,
but those who might be tricked still, what will bring light to the subject for understanding ?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Correct, we know this,
but those who are tricked still, how can they begin to see? Or can they ?

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The problem is those who cannot see would hate God if they could, unless God first changes their heart through the new birth. So it isn't like they are good and God rejects them. They are bad and worship idols that bad people like to worship, even calling their idols by YHWH's name. This is what the Pharisees did and continue doing today.

Dave L said:

The problem is those who cannot see would hate God if they could, unless God first changes their heart through the new birth. So it isn't like they are good and God rejects them. They are bad and worship idols that bad people like to worship, even calling their idols by YHWH's name. This is what the Pharisees did and continue doing today.

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Delightful, simple, wonderful reminder - over ten years ago, a grey haired wise woman sitting at the pay table at a garage sale said almost the same thing and I remembered it just now reading your post .

"All the talk in the world, talk till your blue in the face, won't change their minds ...... they need a new heart" ... immediate peace when that was spoken, and likewise again such good peace now.... everyone needs a new heart before they can see .... (not limited to Pharisees, but all people everywhere) .... (all people , as Jesus says, need a new heart, circumcised not by human hands, but by Yahweh Elohim Creator Sovereign King )

That's in line with all Scripture also. Perfectly.

Dave L said:

The problem is those who cannot see would hate God if they could, unless God first changes their heart through the new birth. So it isn't like they are good and God rejects them. They are bad and worship idols that bad people like to worship, even calling their idols by YHWH's name. This is what the Pharisees did and continue doing today.

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This excerpt seems somewhat closely related also (or am I just tired? )
- a page I had open on another tab on the computer, yesterday, still open just now .....
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/fleshsalvation.htm

" The flesh demands full sovereignty; so does the spiritual life. The flesh desires to have man forever attached to itself; while the spiritual life wants to have man completely subject to the Holy Spirit. At all points the flesh and spiritual life differ. The nature of the former is that of the first Adam, the nature of the latter belongs to the last Adam. The motive of the first is earthly; that of the second, heavenly. The flesh focuses all things upon self; spiritual life centers all upon Christ. The flesh wishes to lead man to sin, but spiritual life longs to lead him to righteousness. Since these two are so essentially contrary, how can a person avoid clashing continually with the flesh? Not realizing the full salvation of Christ, a believer constantly experiences such a struggle.

When young believers fall into such conflict they are dumbfounded. Some despair of spiritual growth thinking they are just too bad. Others begin to doubt they are genuinely regenerated, not aware that regeneration itself brings in this contention. Formerly, when the flesh was in authority without interference (for the spirit was dead), they could sin terribly without feeling any sense of sinfulness. Now new life has sprung up, and with it heavenly nature, desire, light and thought. As this new light penetrates the man it immediately exposes the defilement and corruption within. The new desire is naturally dissatisfied to remain in such a state and longs to follow the will of God. The flesh begins to contend with the spiritual life. Such battle gives the believer an impression that housed within him are two persons. Each has its own idea and strength. Each seeks victory. When the spiritual life is in ascendancy the believer is most glad; when the flesh gains the upper hand he cannot but grieve. Experience of this kind confirms that such ones have been regenerated.

The purpose of God is never to reform the flesh but to destroy it. It is by God’s life given the believer at regeneration that the self in the flesh is to be destroyed. The life God imparts to man is indeed most powerful, but the regenerated person is still a babe—newly born and very weak. "

Yahweh can save people from any and all deception POTENTIALLY, right,
IF He Wants To,
AND
IF they are willing (as Jesus said once over Jerusalem)....
He said He would have saved the people of Jerusalem, but they "would not" - they refused - they were not willing....
Then He warns, in Hebrews I think, not to be like the people in the wilderness were when they rebelled and perished for their rebellion ,
rather TODAY (apparently re-scheduling TODAY each and every DAY , TODAY, while there is still mercy available, and time too, to ) "harden not your heart as they did in the rebellion" and perished, but rather now, TODAY, LISTEN (if) you hear HIS VOICE (it obviously doesn't apply if someone does not hear His Voice, they remain where they are? ) ..... hear and do the will of the Father. Thus as Jesus repeats: such are My mother and My brothers and My sisters.

Pastor Sam Storms graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary and rejected modern Dispensational Theology before he graduated.

His book "Kingdom Come" is an excellent source on the Amill doctrine.


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