Amillennialism & Preterism - Are these Biblical, or not?

[Oseas]

Isaiah 5​

King James Version​

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1 Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
3 And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.
4 What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
5 And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:
6 And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.
7 For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

Song of Solomon 2
2 I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.

2 As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.

3 As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

4 He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love.

5 Stay me with flagons, comfort me with apples: for I am sick of love.

6 His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.

7 I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till he please.

8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;

13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.

15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.

16 My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies.

17 Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether.

Ephesians 1:5-12
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

 

[Zao is life]

Hello folks. How many of you guys think that Amil and Preterism are anti-Christian? Many Christians believe that Amillennialism and Preterism are false teachings due to their disagreement with a literal interpretation of certain end-time events described in the Bible. Here's why:

1. Amillennialism: This view denies the future millennium as a period of earthly bliss, which is often considered anti-Christian because it goes against several passages that describe this time explicitly (Revelation 20:1-7). For instance, verse 6 (NIV) says, "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years." This suggests a literal millennium where believers will reign with Christ on earth.
2. Preterism: Preterists believe that most or all of the prophecies about the end times were fulfilled by events prior to A.D. 70, which is problematic because many passages in Revelation (such as chapters 6-19) clearly depict future events yet to come. For example, Revelation 20:4 (NIV) says, "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God." This verse suggests a future event where believers will be martyred for their faith.

These interpretations can lead people away from a literal understanding of biblical prophecy and potentially undermine the hope that Christians have in Christ's return and the establishment of His kingdom on earth, which is central to Christian belief. For more detailed information about these views, you may want to refer to works such as "2000 Years of Christ’s Power" by Nick R. Needham (specifically chapters discussing millennialism).

Hope you had your body armor and helmet on before you posted this post.

I don't need any theological reasons to reject the beliefs of Amillennialists and Preterists. I just need the Bible.

 

[Clare73]

Hello folks. How many of you guys think that Amil and Preterism are anti-Christian? Many Christians believe that Amillennialism and Preterism are false teachings due to their disagreement with a literal interpretation of certain end-time events described in the Bible. Here's why:
Amillennialism: This view denies the future millennium as a period of earthly bliss, which is often considered anti-Christian because it goes against several passages that describe this time explicitly (Revelation 20:1-7). For instance, verse 6 (NIV) says, "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years." This suggests a literal millennium where believers will reign with Christ on earth.
Preterism: Preterists believe that most or all of the prophecies about the end times were fulfilled by events prior to A.D. 70, which is problematic because many passages in Revelation (such as chapters 6-19) clearly depict future events yet to come. For example, Revelation 20:4 (NIV) says, "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God." This verse suggests a future event where believers will be martyred for their faith.

These interpretations can lead people away from a literal understanding of biblical prophecy

1) God told Miriam that he gives prophecy in riddles, not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8).
We have no authority to claim that God does not speak in riddles, that he always speaks literally in prophecy.
Is the "rock/stone" of Da 2 a piece of mineral, or a figure of Christ?

2) Are you familiar with prophecy? God explains some of them, and they are not literal, they are figurative.

and potentially undermine the hope that Christians have in Christ's return and the establishment of His kingdom on earth, which is central to Christian belief.

And Christ said in Mt 12:28, Lk 11:20 that the kingdom of God is here now, invisible (Lk 17:20) and within (Lk 17:21), a spiritual kingdom in the hearts where he reigns and rules, an everlasting kingdom that does not end (Lk 1:33). It is that one and only unending kingdom which will be visible after the resurrection.

 

[AlexB23]

Yo, @FreeinChrist , can you shut this thread down, but leave it up. I am no longer interested in this thread, as Revelation is a complicated book.

 

[Clare73]

Yo, @FreeinChrist , can you shut this thread down, but leave it up. I am no longer interested in this thread, as Revelation is a complicated book.

You are very honest. . .God bless you.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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