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Americans Want to Move on From COVID

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And it killed them. While the vaccine offers good protection from infection, it offers very good protection against severe illness and death. Unvaccinated people are dying at much higher rares than vaccinated people.

So, we need to turn the whole world upset down

No. Just get people vaccinated, and save lives.

I believe in being vaccinated, but I don't believe in forcing people to do it - nor mandates.

That was settled about 125 years ago. Supreme Court upheld the right of states to impose vaccine mandates.

I don't see how your awful experience is any different than others.

It's happened hundreds of thousands of times in America. The unvaccinated are dying at rates about ten times that of vaccinated people. And they are infecting others, including those who are medically unable to be vaccinated.

Remember our political culture - enforced by the media - created this atmosphere.

That's wrong. This isn't a cultural or P.R. issue. It's a medical issue.

(defensive argument that vaccines don't offer perfect protection)
Not everyone wearing a seat belt survives an auto crash. Who would be dumb enough to use that as an excuse for not wearing one?

So, you admit that vaccinated people died too and get defensive.

I showed you the ratios. I'm just pointing out that it's dumb to take risks you don't have to take, even if you can't get perfect safety.

Does that do anything to help your cause?

To anyone who rationally considers the issue, it does.

What you afraid of?

Millions of unvaccinated people dying when there's no need. It's not just those who died, it's families who loved them, children who needed parents they won't have, all because those people listened to false stories about vaccinations.

The report is science too

As you see, it's bad science. They should have made sure the two sets of data were accurate. In other studies, where they compared equivalent data sets, no one got those results. So it's pretty clear that they never checked the quality of the baseline data they used.

Calling people dumb?

Taking risks you don't have to take can only be described as not very smart.

and it may show you that all our decisions towards this awful virus were NOT the correct.

The ICUs are full of people who made incorrect decisions. Bottom line? Over 900,000 Americans have "moved on" from COVID-19. More will do so, because they foolishly believe the stories being peddled on social media, and neglect to become vaccinated.
 
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Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because that's what real vaccines are suppose to do.

Actually, vaccines are supposed to prevent you from becoming ill. They do that very well. But the COVID-19 vaccines were designed to keep you from becoming seriously ill or dying. They do that extremely well.

Is it smart to take a vaccine that does a good job of preventing infection, and a really good job of preventing severe illness and death? Who wouldn't think so?

Plus, what you describe is not a vaccine.

Perhaps you don't know what "vaccine" means...

vaccine
văk-sēn′, văk′sēn″

noun
  1. A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing severe infection.
Also, see the thread about the effects of the vaccine on military personnel; for example, a 300% increase in miscarriages in 2021, and extreme increases in other issues.

As you know, the study used different sets of data that were not complete or did not actually show any causation. This is a common deception:

FACT CHECK: Have COVID-19 Vaccines Caused Over 2,500 Miscarriages?
11:52 AM 11/10/2021 Trevor Schakohl | Fact Check Reporter

An image shared on Instagram claims there have been 2,508 miscarriages in the U.S. “as a result of” COVID-19 vaccines.

Verdict: False


Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System data “cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness,” according to its Department of Health and Human Services website. Research has not shown a link between miscarriages and COVID-19 vaccines.


Fact Check:


The image was originally published by lawyer Sidney Powell’s organization Defending the Republic. Its text identifies 2,508 as the “number of miscarriages that have occurred as a result of the experimental COVID ‘vaccine,’” citing the private organization OpenVAERS. The OpenVAERS website says it pulls its data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a system managed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

FACT CHECK: Have COVID-19 Vaccines Caused Over 2,500 Miscarriages?

The database actually included auto accidents and being turned into the Incredible Hulk as adverse events after receiving the vaccine.
 
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People do not care. There is very little energy for the common good.

I'd say this is true. People are generally motivated by selfish desire. What should be most suspect is when parts of society tell you they are going to save the world with wide-reaching new policies. And their policies are so good that we don't even need to debate them. They're such good policies that widespread censorship and de-platforming need to be invoked.

That's why it's going to be so hard to claim ignorance. Many doctors, scientists, and other healthcare experts were strongly pushing back on most of these policies, and they were silenced. Hospital staff fired for not taking the vaccination. Homeless shelters shut down. Family businesses and livelihoods swept away. (maybe some good news is that the biggest corporations, including pharmaceutical companies, reported record increases in profits?) Suicide skyrockets. Alternate forms of medical treatment for Covid denied. Families not allowed to be with their dying relatives in the hospital. It is a horrible thing that has been done.

And children, who are in virtually no danger from the virus, continue to have their faces forcefully covered all day. We are probably only beginning to understand the psychological and spiritual damage done to children as a result of the lockdown, isolation, and masking policies.
 
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I don't understand why people think that because they've been vaccinated they won't 'catch' Covid. The vaccinations have never been touted as being able to keep people from breathing in the Covid 19 virus while living their lives and 'catching' it.

Last year, the Covid vaccine was widely advertised as a way to prevent spreading the virus to other people, harming or killing them. It was advertised this way because it was the only moral leverage to try and force unwilling people to get vaccinated. "You're going to get others killed by being selfish and not taking the vaccine." This was universal messaging on the vaccine just a few months ago. Easy to verify. It was a continuous guilt-trip to get vaccinated to protect your community. Otherwise, the vaccine mandates didn't really make sense. If the vaccines are freely available to all, why force people to get it if they don't want to? It was also clear that children are not in any significant danger from the virus.
 
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Suicide skyrockets.

Actually, suicides declined significantly:

The number of U.S. suicides fell nearly 6% last year amid the coronavirus pandemicthe largest annual decline in at least four decades, according to preliminary government data.

Death certificates are still coming in and the count could rise. But officials expect a substantial decline will endure, despite worries that COVID-19 could lead to more suicides.

It is hard to say exactly why suicide deaths dropped so much, but one factor may be a phenomenon seen in the early stages of wars and national disasters, some experts suggested.
U.S. suicides dropped last year, defying pandemic expectations

Last year, the Covid vaccine was widely advertised as a way to prevent spreading the virus to other people, harming or killing them. It was advertised this way because it was the only moral leverage to try and force unwilling people to get vaccinated. "You're going to get others killed by being selfish and not taking the vaccine." This was universal messaging on the vaccine just a few months ago

And of course, it works very well. Your chance of being infected are much less if you are vaccinated. So you are much less likely to spread the virus. And much, much less likely to die. Would you like me to show you again?

It was also clear that children are not in any significant danger from the virus.

The breakdown of the data as of December 18 shows that 323 children ages 0–4, 215 ages 5–11, 243 ages 12–15 and 234 ages 16–17 have died from COVID-19. Additionally, the severe multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) is also still rising, with the CDC now reporting 5,937 total cases and 52 total deaths.
Over 1,000 children have died from COVID-19 in the United States


About 1 in 100,000 kids died of COVID-19 so far. Well over 10 times the rate of people having serious reactions shown to be caused by taking the vaccine. Neither of these are what you'd normally consider to be "significant."

The major reason to vaccinate kids is to stop the spread of the virus. Which, as you know, the vaccines do very well. Last April, less than 1 person in 13,000 vaccinated people got infected after being fully vaccinated.
CDC says 5,800 fully vaccinated people caught Covid-19 anyway - CNN



 
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I'd say this is true. People are generally motivated by selfish desire. What should be most suspect is when parts of society tell you they are going to save the world with wide-reaching new policies. And their policies are so good that we don't even need to debate them. They're such good policies that widespread censorship and de-platforming need to be invoked.

That's why it's going to be so hard to claim ignorance. Many doctors, scientists, and other healthcare experts were strongly pushing back on most of these policies, and they were silenced. Hospital staff fired for not taking the vaccination. Homeless shelters shut down. Family businesses and livelihoods swept away. (maybe some good news is that the biggest corporations, including pharmaceutical companies, reported record increases in profits?) Suicide skyrockets. Alternate forms of medical treatment for Covid denied. Families not allowed to be with their dying relatives in the hospital. It is a horrible thing that has been done.

And children, who are in virtually no danger from the virus, continue to have their faces forcefully covered all day. We are probably only beginning to understand the psychological and spiritual damage done to children as a result of the lockdown, isolation, and masking policies.

If you're anti-vax you will get no sympathy from me. I'm not a fan of mandates. I'm a fan of people working together for the common good. If we're too ill-informed or selfish to do that, then I don't care for mandate whining, either.
 
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Hi @SuperCow



I don't understand why people think that because they've been vaccinated they won't 'catch' Covid. The vaccinations have never been touted as being able to keep people from breathing in the Covid 19 virus while living their lives and 'catching' it. The masks are actually more effective for that. What the vaccines promise is that the effects of 'catching' it will very, very likely be much less serious. The reason for this is that your bodies already have a built up and ready immune defense network to fight the particular virus AFTER IT ENTERS AND BEGINS TO ATTACK THE BODY!!!!!!!

So, we should quit trying to attack the worthiness of the vaccines because people who have it have still 'caught' the Covid virus. We just need to look at those people and say, "well, I'm glad to see that you've recovered without any significant damage to your body. That's most likely because you were vaccinated against it."

God bless,
Ted

Right, the vaccinated have pretty much moved on from Covid, no real concern for them unless there's some variant that puts us back to square one,which I'm thinking is highly unlikely.
 
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The breakdown of the data as of December 18 shows that 323 children ages 0–4, 215 ages 5–11, 243 ages 12–15 and 234 ages 16–17 have died from COVID-19. Additionally, the severe multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) is also still rising, with the CDC now reporting 5,937 total cases and 52 total deaths.
Over 1,000 children have died from COVID-19 in the United States


About 1 in 100,000 kids died of COVID-19 so far. Well over 10 times the rate of people having serious reactions shown to be caused by taking the vaccine. Neither of these are what you'd normally consider to be "significant."

As usual with promoters of Covid-hysteria, you throw these numbers out with zero context.

Statistically, unless they already have serious conditions, Kids have about as much chance of dying from Covid as they do dying in automobile accidents. That was established over a year ago. It is ridiculous to impose forced medical procedures on something so rare.

Also in a climate of mass censorship of anti-Covid vaccine messaging, it would be foolish to think we have a truly accurate picture of the potential harm they may cause. There is just too much money in the game. Too much censorship. Too many medical experts have been fired or penalized for dissenting views. Everyone sees this. Actually I'll be curious if you try to deny any of this.


I've seen enough videos of crying mothers who had perfectly healthy children before they got the jab. I think it is probably rare, but it happens and I would say it is evil to force children to get it, or make life extremely difficult for families who won't subject their children to it, which is what is happening. There are bills being presented to make it a requirement for public school.

The major reason to vaccinate kids is to stop the spread of the virus. Which, as you know, the vaccines do very well. Last April, less than 1 person in 13,000 vaccinated people got infected after being fully vaccinated.

So that was almost a year ago, when these groups were still trying to sell the vaccine as a near guaranteed preventer of transmission. The truth is nobody really knows how effective they are. Do you even know the actual definition of a "vaccinated person", or whether or not the definition has changed?

One of the reasons I posted the JH study on the negative effects of the lockdown/isolation measures is because the damage has been so visible and obvious. The study merely confirms what can plainly be seen. Society, especially the most vulnerable classes, were devastated by the lockdown measures, and now vaccine mandates. We don't need a scientific study to prove what is happening before our eyes, but it is just one more confirmation.

When the same people pushing forced vaccinations are also pushing objectively harmful and destructive lockdown measures, it becomes clear that the real interest is not public health. Same with the approval of mass censorship. That's why so many people who aren't even anti-vaccination are rejecting it. The motivation for pushing it is so clearly not about public health.
 
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As usual with promoters of Covid-hysteria, you throw these numbers out with zero context.

Calm yourself. You didn't read all of it. I wrote.

About 1 in 100,000 kids died of COVID-19 so far. Well over 10 times the rate of people having serious reactions shown to be caused by taking the vaccine. Neither of these are what you'd normally consider to be "significant."

I'm pointing out that those who say there's a huge danger to kids, or that the vaccine is harmful, are hysterically blowing the numbers out of proportion. And you misread it, and thereby got the opposite impression.

So that was almost a year ago, when these groups were still trying to sell the vaccine as a near guaranteed preventer of transmission.

Don't remember any of the scientists saying that. They merely pointed out that it was very effective at preventing infection and very,very effective at preventing severe illness and death. Which, as you know, it is. No one said it would be perfect, or even close to perfect. That's just another misreading.

Society, especially the most vulnerable classes, were devastated by the lockdown measures, and now vaccine mandates. We don't need a scientific study to prove what is happening before our eyes, but it is just one more confirmation.

Someone actually started claiming that suicide rates exploded. But as you probably realize, suicides dropped markedly during the pandemic. People are tougher than you seem to think they are.

When the same people who opposed vaccinations are also opposing social distancing and masks, it becomes clear that the real interest is not public health.

And now we see one tragic death after another among the trusting people who uncritically accepted those social media stories, and refused to be vaccinated.

Don't be one of them. Please.
 
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When the same people who opposed vaccinations are also opposing social distancing and masks, it becomes clear that the real interest is not public health.

This part is very interesting because a lot of them opposed BOTH methods of mitigation. We could all take a look back at those that opposed the mask mandates (prior to the vaccine)...and people getting into public brawls if a security guard said they weren't allowed in a store without a mask or whatever. People who didn't want to wear masks were losing their ever loving minds!

And guess what...this wasn't something they weren't even putting IN to their body. So yeah, it was really about not wanting to be told what to do than about health measures.

Shoot, they could have at least met the public health measures by continually wearing masks if they refuse the vaccination. Meet half way.
 
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Statistically, unless they already have serious conditions, Kids have about as much chance of dying from Covid as they do dying in automobile accidents.

So it's O.K. not to buckle up kids because they are unlikely to be in an auto accident? I can't agree.

Also in a climate of mass censorship of anti-Covid vaccine messaging, it would be foolish to think we have a truly accurate picture of the potential harm they may cause.

In fact, the internet is crawling with those spreading fake stories about how bad it is to be vaccinated. And yes, for people who get most of their news from social media, it would be foolish to think they get a truly accurate picture of the relative benefits and hazards of vaccination.

Perhaps you don't know what "censorship" means. It doesn't mean that there's disagreement in the media.

I'm wondering if you can give us some numbers on all those doctors who were "fired" for disagreeing. What do you have?
 
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Calm yourself. You didn't read all of it. I wrote.

About 1 in 100,000 kids died of COVID-19 so far. Well over 10 times the rate of people having serious reactions shown to be caused by taking the vaccine. Neither of these are what you'd normally consider to be "significant."

I'm not willing to participate in the fantasy that the actual numbers are known.

I'm not sure if you realize this or not but the very definition of a "vaccinated person" is someone who has received one or more injections, and then they are not considered fully vaccinated until two weeks have passed. What this means is that if a child were to have a serious reaction to the vaccine after only a few days, it would not be counted as a reaction to the vaccine, because *technically* they were not fully vaccinated if the two weeks had not passed.

This is the type of data fudging we've had to deal with for this entire pandemic.

We do have a good idea how minimal the risk of Covid is to children, and yet we're not really sure how rare the adverse reactions to the vaccine are. It is a monstrous thing to force otherwise healthy children into this type of experimental medical procedure.


I'm pointing out that those who say there's a huge danger to kids, or that the vaccine is harmful, are hysterically blowing the numbers out of proportion. And you misread it, and thereby got the opposite impression.

And yet promoters of Covid hysteria have been hysterically blowing the danger of the virus to children out of proportion from the beginning of the pandemic.

We could save all children from car accident deaths by locking them in their homes until they are adults. That is an undeniable scientific fact. Why aren't you also advocating for this? Do you want children to die? Are you against science?

As far as negative health effects, we are only beginning to understand the scope of mental health issues Covid alarmists have inflicted on children with the lockdown, social isolation, and forced mask-wearing edicts where children are not allowed to see others' faces and are made to feel that they are constantly in danger and endangering others with their existence.


Don't remember any of the scientists saying that. They merely pointed out that it was very effective at preventing infection and very,very effective at preventing severe illness and death. Which, as you know, it is. No one said it would be perfect, or even close to perfect. That's just another misreading.

https://t.co/2vnQsoxYHZ

This is from the CDC Director Rochelle Walensky in 2021:
"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus and do not get sick, which is shown in clinical trials and real-world data."


Someone actually started claiming that suicide rates exploded. But as you probably realize, suicides dropped markedly during the pandemic. People are tougher than you seem to think they are.

https://t.co/oV9jgPFKea

This is from the previous CDC Director Robert Redfield:

"In particular highschools, We're seeing far greater suicide numbers than we are deaths from Covid. Far greater deaths from drug overdose, that are above excess, than we are seeing deaths from Covid."

This is not surprising. When you inflict this kind of fear and social isolation on young people who are already suffering from daily depression and anxiety, it is not surprising that the suicide and OD death rates will increase. Again, a monstrous thing to do.
 
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Calm yourself. You didn't read all of it. I wrote.

About 1 in 100,000 kids died of COVID-19 so far. Well over 10 times the rate of people having serious reactions shown to be caused by taking the vaccine. Neither of these are what you'd normally consider to be "significant."

I'm not willing to participate in the fantasy that the actual numbers are known.

The undercount of deaths is yet to be determined. On the other hand, VAERS includes all adverse effects, even if they obviously have no relationship to the vaccination. Even auto accidents are included. For while, "turning into the Increcible Hulk" was a listed adverse effect until the convinced the guy reporting it to remove it. If he hadn't, they would be obligated to leave it up. So the reaction are currently overcounted, and the deaths undercounted. This is the best we have right now, but I expect over time, it will become more accurate. But in neither case, do I think it will change enough to make either of these as significant concern.

I'm not sure if you realize this or not but the very definition of a "vaccinated person" is someone who has received one or more injections, and then they are not considered fully vaccinated until two weeks have passed.

I've done graduate work in immunology. I've organized and implemented vaccination programs. Yes, that is a factor. In general, they do report a person to be fully vaccinated after the final vaccination has been given, so some of those people in ICUs listed as "fully vaccinated" are not. Again, I doubt if the numbers will change the overall data very much.

We do have a good idea how minimal the risk of Covid is to children, and yet we're not really sure how rare the adverse reactions to the vaccine are.

As you have seen, even with the exaggerated numbers in the VAERS system, (auto accidents and all), the numbers don't present even a remotely similar risk to going unvaccinated.

I'm pointing out that those who say there's a huge danger to kids, or that the vaccine is harmful, are hysterically blowing the numbers out of proportion. And you misread it, and thereby got the opposite impression.

We could save all children from car accident deaths by locking them in their homes until they are adults. That is an undeniable scientific fact.

It's an undeniable scientific fact that securing them in their seats with belts or approved child seats saves a large majority of them, and so reduces the hazard of not locking them in their houses. Since the majority of childhood injuries and death occur in their homes, that seems a pretty reasonable approach.

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Don't remember any of the scientists saying that. They merely pointed out that it was very effective at preventing infection and very,very effective at preventing severe illness and death. Which, as you know, it is. No one said it would be perfect, or even close to perfect. That's just another misreading.


That's a social media page. What do you have from real scientists? Just link to the statement.

Someone actually started claiming that suicide rates exploded. But as you probably realize, suicides dropped markedly during the pandemic. People are tougher than you seem to think they are.

(another Twitter page)

Well, let's see what reality says...

US suicides dropped last year, defying pandemic expectations
The number of U.S. suicides fell nearly 6% last year amid the coronavirus pandemic — the largest annual decline in at least four decades
US suicides dropped last year, defying pandemic expectations

This may be surprising to some but Twitter and Facebook are not very reliable places to get facts.

The difference is your report was a projection for 2020, while the above is a summary of actual data for the year 2020.

It's been tough on kids. It's one of the worst results of botching the response to the pandemic in 2020. We'll be paying for that incompetence for a very long time.
 
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So it's O.K. not to buckle up kids because they are unlikely to be in an auto accident? I can't agree.

Statistically, children die in car accidents about the same rate as they die from Covid, regardless of seatbelt use. So the real question is: Why are you advocating for children to ride in automobiles at all? Do you want children to die?


In fact, the internet is crawling with those spreading fake stories about how bad it is to be vaccinated. And yes, for people who get most of their news from social media, it would be foolish to think they get a truly accurate picture of the relative benefits and hazards of vaccination.

People who follow corporate media and messaging from the mainstream medical community still believe that vaccination prevents transmission. They also tend to believe young and/or healthy people are at serious risk from the virus when they are not. There has been no greater source of misinformation and distortion of reality than the official channels pushing mandates.



Perhaps you don't know what "censorship" means. It doesn't mean that there's disagreement in the media.

Just a disagreement in the media?

Here is the White House spokeswoman Psaki, the office of the President of the United States, urging social media companies to shut down "anti-vaccine misinformation"

https://twitter.com/MrsT106/status/1415743715281358853


What's amazing is that thousands of doctors and frontline healthcare workers have already been fired from their jobs en masse for refusing to take the vaccine. So their entire careers can be stripped away for not participating in a medical procedure and yet you believe they are free to publicly oppose it? Please square that circle for us.

One has to really pretend not to see things in order to ignore the reality of mass censorship, whether its opposition to vaccine or lockdown mandates or promotion of natural immunity or alternate treatments to Covid.

You can find countless testimonials from doctors and medical professionals stating outright that they are facing all manner of repercussions for noticing or voicing anything against the official messaging on Covid vaccines:

Just one example: Army doctor Theresa Long testifies that she was actually stopped from seeing her normal patients after she began noticing negative effects from the vaccine.
https://t.co/KSNvmTiGIM
 
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About 1 in 100,000 kids died of COVID-19 so far. Well over 10 times the rate of people having serious reactions shown to be caused by taking the vaccine. Neither of these are what you'd normally consider to be "significant."

Statistically, children die in car accidents about the same rate as they die from Covid, regardless of seatbelt use.

Show us that. You're claiming that children who are not buckled up survive car crashes as often as children who are?

Buckling children in age- and size-appropriate car seats, booster seats, and seat belts reduces the risk of serious and fatal injuries.

  • Car seat use reduces the risk for injury in a crash by 71–82% for children, when compared with seat belt use alone.6,7
  • Booster seat use reduces the risk for serious injury by 45% for children age 4–8, when compared with seat belt use alone.8
  • For older children and adults, seat belt use reduces the risk for death and serious injury by about half.1,9
Child Passenger Safety: Get the Facts | Transportation Safety | CDC

So the real question is: Why are you advocating for children to ride in automobiles at all?

Because the data shows that one can transport them safely by using proper seat belt restraints. It is and should be, the law for all children in passenger cars.

Do you want children to die?

I suppose, I should now ask if you like to kill puppies. But that seems to be just as mean-spirited and dishonest as your question, so I won't.

The point remains; anyone who says that childhood deaths from COVID-19, or severe reactions to COVID-19 vaccinations are a significant issue, is having trouble dealing with reality.
 
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What's amazing is that thousands of doctors and frontline healthcare workers have already been fired from their jobs en masse for refusing to take the vaccine. So their entire careers can be stripped away for not participating in a medical procedure and yet you believe they are free to publicly oppose it? Please square that circle for us.

So show us your data. I know you want us to believe this. You probably want to believe it yourself. But for some reason, no one shows this information, with a checkable source. I think I know why.

Here is the White House spokeswoman Psaki, the office of the President of the United States, urging social media companies to shut down "anti-vaccine misinformation"

https://twitter.com/MrsT106/status/1415743715281358853

Some one on Twitter falsely mischaracterized Psaki? Why am I not surprised? In fact, one can find countless examples of false information being peddled on social media. Vaccine misinformation is only a small part of it. Cracking down on anything on private media is not "censorship." As you know, there are many, many other media outlets that make a practice of promoting false information about vaccines. Indeed, MSM sources like Fox News include some of it.

Army flight surgeon says pilots risk ‘sudden cardiac death’ from COVID vaccine side effect
Army flight surgeon says pilots risk 'sudden cardiac death' from COVID vaccine side effect

Interesting. There are roughly 10,000 army pilots. How many have had "sudden cardiac arrest from COVID vaccines?"

None? Does that suggest why that woman was reassigned?
 
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If you're anti-vax you will get no sympathy from me. I'm not a fan of mandates. I'm a fan of people working together for the common good. If we're too ill-informed or selfish to do that, then I don't care for mandate whining, either.

I have no desire for your sympathy. Keep it, it's worthless to me. I want freedoms, for myself and everyone else.
 
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I have no desire for your sympathy. Keep it, it's worthless to me. I want freedoms, for myself and everyone else.

What about the common good? What about putting others before yourself? What about considering the interests of others before your own? These are all biblical principles, but you seem to want to sacrifice them for some idea of personal freedom.
 
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