Americans Want to Move on From COVID

[Bramblewild]

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“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” researchers wrote in a new analysis for Johns Hopkins University. That doesn’t mean lockdowns had no effect. “They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy,” the report notes. Given these “enormous economic and social costs,” the researches conclude, “a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion: lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument.”

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Economist Stephen Moore accounts for this and other detrimental effects in his latest recap: “Now here we are, two years from the start of COVID-19, closing in on 1 million dead and $5 trillion more in debt. Millions of children have suffered, perhaps irreparably, from a loss of schooling (some of which still goes on in some districts). There are some 50,000 to 100,000 deaths of despair caused by the lockdowns. And the virus is still out there, though thankfully in retreat.”

 

[Brihaha]

Yeah, we all want to move on from the pandemic. Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. Yet one of those groups are not willing to help America recover and are prolonging this coronavirus mess for years. If you think this pandemic is nearing its end you may be wishful thinking. I think we likely have more variants surging thru America for a few more years. Estimates report only around 25% of Americans have caught covid so far. And vaccinations aren't high enough to establish herd immunity. Suffering will continue and much of it could be avoided if Americans were willing to unite as a team to protect each other by getting vaccinated. It's just an interesting fact some choose to ignore.

 

[SuperCow]

Our family is fully vaccinated, and we all got COVID two weeks ago anyway. They won't have vaccinations that work on omicron for another two months.

 

[A_Thinker]

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“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” researchers wrote in a new analysis for Johns Hopkins University. That doesn’t mean lockdowns had no effect. “They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy,” the report notes. Given these “enormous economic and social costs,” the researches conclude, “a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion: lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument.”

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Economist Stephen Moore accounts for this and other detrimental effects in his latest recap: “Now here we are, two years from the start of COVID-19, closing in on 1 million dead and $5 trillion more in debt. Millions of children have suffered, perhaps irreparably, from a loss of schooling (some of which still goes on in some districts). There are some 50,000 to 100,000 deaths of despair caused by the lockdowns. And the virus is still out there, though thankfully in retreat.”

Yes ... some of us would like to move on from COVID ... via closing our eyes of any continuing/further threat.

Others ... wish to make that same move, ... but using a little more of their God-given intelligence ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Our family is fully vaccinated, and we all got COVID two weeks ago anyway. They won't have vaccinations that work on omicron for another two months.

Thankfully, you're still alive ... as the vaccines do work to protect from the more virulent Alpha and Delta variants ...

 

[steppinrazor]

I'd like to move on from the ideocracy of the way we treat one another and talk to one another around this subject

 

[Abaxvahl]

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“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” researchers wrote in a new analysis for Johns Hopkins University. That doesn’t mean lockdowns had no effect. “They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy,” the report notes. Given these “enormous economic and social costs,” the researches conclude, “a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion: lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument.”

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Economist Stephen Moore accounts for this and other detrimental effects in his latest recap: “Now here we are, two years from the start of COVID-19, closing in on 1 million dead and $5 trillion more in debt. Millions of children have suffered, perhaps irreparably, from a loss of schooling (some of which still goes on in some districts). There are some 50,000 to 100,000 deaths of despair caused by the lockdowns. And the virus is still out there, though thankfully in retreat.”

Indeed many do. I consider myself as having already moved on from the pandemic and picked up my life again, Church, etc.

 

[expos4ever]

Our family is fully vaccinated, and we all got COVID two weeks ago anyway. They won't have vaccinations that work on omicron for another two months.

The vaccines do work on Omicron. While the vaccines are not that effective in preventing transmission, they are very effective in reducing the risk of severe disease and death.

 

[Blade]

To move on.. amen

 

[lifepsyop]

Yeah, we all want to move on from the pandemic. Vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. Yet one of those groups are not willing to help America recover and are prolonging this coronavirus mess for years. If you think this pandemic is nearing its end you may be wishful thinking. I think we likely have more variants surging thru America for a few more years. Estimates report only around 25% of Americans have caught covid so far. And vaccinations aren't high enough to establish herd immunity. Suffering will continue and much of it could be avoided if Americans were willing to unite as a team to protect each other by getting vaccinated. It's just an interesting fact some choose to ignore.

It's becoming harder and harder to believe that the pro-mandate crowd actually cares about public health.

from John Hopkins University:

"This systematic review and meta-analysis are designed to determine whether there is empirical evidence to support the belief that “lockdowns” reduce COVID-19 mortality. Lockdowns are defined as the imposition of at least one compulsory, non-pharmaceutical intervention (NPI). NPIs are any government mandate that directly restrict peoples’ possibilities, such as policies that limit internal movement, close schools and businesses, and ban international travel. This study employed a systematic search and screening procedure in which 18,590 studies are identified that could potentially address the belief posed. After three levels of screening, 34 studies ultimately qualified. Of those 34 eligible studies, 24 qualified for inclusion in the meta-analysis. They were separated into three groups: lockdown stringency index studies, shelter-in-placeorder (SIPO) studies, and specific NPI studies. An analysis of each of these three groups support the conclusion that lockdowns have had little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality. More specifically, stringency index studies find that lockdowns in Europe and the United States only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 0.2% on average. SIPOs were also ineffective, only reducing COVID-19 mortality by 2.9% on average. Specific NPI studies also find no broad-based evidence of noticeable effects on COVID-19 mortality.

While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument."

A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf (jhu.edu)

I guess that is the "suffering" being referred to by the above poster. Not the virus itself but the punishment for non-compliance with mandates.

If one still supports any government lockdown/mandate measures, then they probably need to confront some uncomfortable truths about themselves. That they are not really motivated by public health or saving lives or science for that matter.

Personally, I think the real "crisis" in these people's eyes is that someone disagrees with them... which would explain their eager embrace of widespread censorship in the medical community and the naked desire to punish people by taking away their livelihoods for non-compliance. And still they will tell stories to themselves that they are saving the world, even as they dig their pit deeper and deeper. It's an amazing thing to behold.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yesterday, 3,149 Americans moved on from COVID-19. Last week, about 20,000 Americans moved on from COVID-19. The vast majority of them unvaccinated.

Learn from their mistake.

 

[bèlla]

I’ve moved on. We stopped discussing it awhile ago. Preparedness and security is our focus. We’re working together as a family with trusted friends to make sure our needs are met and aid one another. That’s more important.

 

[HannahT]

Yesterday, 3,149 Americans moved on from COVID-19. Last week, about 20,000 Americans moved on from COVID-19. The vast majority of them unvaccinated.

Learn from their mistake.

That was their choice to make, because they had plenty of options to do so. That doesn't change the facts of what the report linked to pointed out.

We were vaccinated, and we got Covid. Our oldest lives in another state, and she was vaccinated and got covid. Majority of people I know that have got vaccinated also had Covid. My friend's husband - got it twice.

You say the 'vast majority' of them, but you don't link to anything to back that up. Since it is not ALL of them? You had vaccinated ones in there too.

The study that was linked to shows that we made mistakes during this pandemic, and all of our restrictions aren't really doing much. We need to revisit this, and decide what is the best course of action going forward. We can do this if government can shallow their pride enough, and decide to move forward. I'm not sure they will, because people in power tend to look to keep their power by going with the current flow. Yet, more studies will come out...and they might have major egg on their faces if the don't.

People have a choice if they think the .2% difference it made is worth it by keeping their masks on, or stay isolated. No one is going to stop them.

The study is science too.

In the beginning when we had NO earthly idea of what we were truly dealing with? It made sense to go to extremes to hopefully minimize the deaths. At the beginning they estimated millions of deaths within the USA. That was only for the first variant. Thankfully, the government had the operation warp speed to help out NOT just this country...but many others. Many still to this day can't even get access to the vaccination in parts of the world.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yesterday, 3,149 Americans moved on from COVID-19. Last week, about 20,000 Americans moved on from COVID-19. The vast majority of them unvaccinated.

Learn from their mistake.

That was their choice to make, because they had plenty of options to do so.

And it killed them. While the vaccine offers good protection from infection, it offers very good protection against severe illness and death. Unvaccinated people are dying at much higher rares than vaccinated people.

COVID hospitalizations amid omicron 23 times higher among unvaccinated than those who got boosters: report
Unvaccinated adults also had COVID-19 case rates 3.6 times higher.
During the omicron wave, unvaccinated Americans had much higher rates of COVID-19 cases and hospitalization than fully vaccinated people -- especially those who received a booster shot, officials said Tuesday.

In a new report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, researchers from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health looked at county-level COVID data between Nov. 7, 2021 and Jan. 8, 2022.

They found that in the 14-day period ending Dec. 11 -- the last period in which the delta variant was dominant -- COVID case rates in Los Angeles were 12.3 times higher among the unvaccinated compared to boosted individuals. Hospitalization rates were 83 times higher.

By the time the omicron variant became dominant, the rate ratios were lower, but still showed that vaccinated people are much more protected.

During the week ending Jan. 8, unvaccinated people had infection rates 3.6 times higher than people who had received boosters and hospitalization rates were 23 times higher.
COVID hospitalizations amid omicron 23 times higher among unvaccinated than those who got boosters: report

That doesn't change the facts of what the report linked to pointed out.

What would have changed is that many fewer people would have died if they hadn't believed the false stories and avoided vaccination.

We were vaccinated, and we got Covid. Our oldest lives in another state, and she was vaccinated and got covid. Majority of people I know that have got vaccinated also had Covid. My friend's husband - got it twice.

Anecdotes are fine. But the evidence shows that skipping the vaccination kills people. Mrs. Barbarian and I got the vaccination and have not gotten infected. My daughter's mother-in-law and father-in-law didn't get the vaccine. They both died of the virus.

You say the 'vast majority' of them, but you don't link to anything to back that up.

See above. You're welcome.

Since it is not ALL of them? You had vaccinated ones in there too.

Not everyone wearing a seat belt survives an auto crash. Who would be dumb enough to use that as an excuse for not wearing one?

 

[SuperCow]

It's kind of a relief now that our family has all had it. (Despite being vaccinated.) My wife will no longer drive me up the wall being paranoid everywhere we go.

 

[HannahT]

And it killed them. While the vaccine offers good protection from infection, it offers very good protection against severe illness and death. Unvaccinated people are dying at much higher rares than vaccinated people.

So, we need to turn the whole world upset down, and ruin our economy, ignore mental health, etc - because people didn't want to get vaccinated?

Like I said before. It was their choice, and not all of them are dead.

What would have changed is that many fewer people would have died if they hadn't believed the false stories and avoided vaccination.

Ignoring the report doesn't make your point any stronger. Besides it was the stupid Politian's and media that made this political, and forced people to their sides. You want to go and complain to someone that made that issue bigger than it should have been? Go complain to them. They created this mess of doubt, etc. It wasn't just one side either.

Getting crabby towards the people that you don't like their decision about vaccinations aren't the target if you want to make a difference. We lost that already. Making sure those morons in government and media get the message COULD help it from happening again.

Is that NOT important too? I think it is.

Anecdotes are fine. But the evidence shows that skipping the vaccination kills people. Mrs. Barbarian and I got the vaccination and have not gotten infected. My daughter's mother-in-law and father-in-law didn't get the vaccine. They both died of the virus.

A friend of our's had his brother family that refused the vaccination - I don't know if that is the case with your family. He survived but his wife died. I believe in being vaccinated, but I don't believe in forcing people to do it - nor mandates. People that feel pushed against the wall will fight, because its the nature of the beast. They will fight back.

I don't see how your awful experience is any different than others. They are all sad.

It's still choice, and you can't grab people - hold them down - and force a shot into them. The more people are nasty, ugly and awful to them...the more defensive they will be. Human nature is science too. Did we forget that part or are we just ignoring it?

I wish they would get vaccinated, but I can also see the reasons they don't. Those are sad too, and are human/politically created. When you decide that an 'us against them' culture is the way to go? Don't be surprised when it still present when you need them to come together. It's rather naïve of people to think they will be any different don't you think?

Remember our political culture - enforced by the media - created this atmosphere. Encouraged people to look at others as the enemy, and then just expected people to fall into line? No one is that special. They created this - go holler at them.

Not everyone wearing a seat belt survives an auto crash. Who would be dumb enough to use that as an excuse for not wearing one?

So, you admit that vaccinated people died too and get defensive. Does that do anything to help your cause? No.

It also has nothing to do with the report we were debating. I noticed you didn't quote those parts of what I said. Notice it talks about the effects - true effects and our debits in confronting this...and all you want to talk about is the unvaccinated? We ignore the rest, because its pretty HUGE too.

What you afraid of? The report is science too and it may show you that all our decisions towards this awful virus were NOT the correct. We can either learn from our mistakes - if we can bother to acknowledge them - to learn how to move forward and how to deal with this in the future.

Calling people dumb? That doesn't work to your advantage, but no doubt it makes you feel better. Your temporary act of how your holier than thou doesn't change anything.

We have to move on. We can't allow a small number of unvaccinated people BY CHOICE to hold our world hostage, and ruin mental health, our economy and many other things we hold dear.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Yep, the so called cures is killing us.

 

[public hermit]

It might be levelling off; I hope so. If it ain't, people are going to continue to be irrational and irresponsible. I don't know what y'all learned from this pandemic, but I get it. People do not care. There is very little energy for the common good.

 

[miamited]

Hi @SuperCow

Our family is fully vaccinated, and we all got COVID two weeks ago anyway. They won't have vaccinations that work on omicron for another two months.

I don't understand why people think that because they've been vaccinated they won't 'catch' Covid. The vaccinations have never been touted as being able to keep people from breathing in the Covid 19 virus while living their lives and 'catching' it. The masks are actually more effective for that. What the vaccines promise is that the effects of 'catching' it will very, very likely be much less serious. The reason for this is that your bodies already have a built up and ready immune defense network to fight the particular virus AFTER IT ENTERS AND BEGINS TO ATTACK THE BODY!!!!!!!

So, we should quit trying to attack the worthiness of the vaccines because people who have it have still 'caught' the Covid virus. We just need to look at those people and say, "well, I'm glad to see that you've recovered without any significant damage to your body. That's most likely because you were vaccinated against it."

God bless,
Ted

 

[Bramblewild]

--I don't understand why people think that because they've been vaccinated they won't 'catch' Covid.

Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because that's what real vaccines are suppose to do.

--The vaccinations have never been touted as being able to keep people from breathing in the Covid 19 virus while living their lives and 'catching' it.

Bull crap. Our dear leaders and their news people told us that if we got the vax then we'd not get the bug nor would we spread the bug.

--What the vaccines promise is that the effects of 'catching' it will very, very likely be much less serious.

That wasn't what we were promised. See above. Plus, what you describe is not a vaccine. Call it a supplement, if you want.

Also, see the thread about the effects of the vaccine on military personnel; for example, a 300% increase in miscarriages in 2021, and extreme increases in other issues. Here's a link to the article in that other thread.