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American Solidarity Party....

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Virgil the Roman, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    A point of clarification regarding the Marriage and Family planks, does that include marriages and families of same sex partners?
     
  2. Albion

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    Honestly, those of you who are interested in the American Solidarity Party, thinking it to be somewhat tradition-oriented, might do better to get active with the Constitution Party.

    The ASP apparently is on the ballot in exactly NO states, according to its website. I thought there might be one, but I couldn't find any mention of such. So what you have here is a special interest society, and if that is what you are willing to settle for, there are hundreds of them to choose among.
     
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  3. Andrew77

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    I would disagree with most of what I'm reading there.

    Laws to prevent corporate ownership of farms? What if the family owned farm is failing, and it provided low quality goods at a high cost? This is exactly what happened in Zimbabwe. They confiscated all the farm land from large business farmers, and gave it to 'family farmers'. Of course they sucked at farming, and you end up with a food crisis. Same happened in Venezuela. They confiscated all the land, gave it to family farmers, who sucked at farming. Venezuela went from being a major food exporter, to having a food crisis where people literally were dying of starvation.

    Additionally, many claim are made with false premise.

    Like repealing subsidies that encourage urban sprawl, and discourage local food production?

    First we buy imported food because it's cheaper. If I really want to pay $1.50 for a single ear of corn, there's a farmer down the road the sells from his plot every single week. Why don't I do that? Because for $2 I can buy 5 ears, and feed the entire family.

    And as far as Subsidies, I want to know specifically what subsidies they think causes urban sprawl. I can tell you what causes urban sprawl.... it's call 'crime', and 'cost'. Drive 15 minute out of town, and the prices of housing are a fraction of what they are down town, unless you live the crime infested areas.

    Stop protesting the police, and start allowing more down town development, and between crime going down, and prices going down, you'll eliminate urban sprawl.

    If you think getting rid of some subsidy is going to get me to move into the city with metal bars on my windows, and a $1,500 monthly rent, you are crazy.

    Similarly, there is no student loan crisis. Here's a thought... don't borrow money. Not encourage people to borrow even more money, because you are going to allow them to declare bankruptcy. How stupid is that?

    You want to claim people are in crisis because they borrowed too much money, and your answer is to encourage them to take out even more loans, by offering them even lower interest, and the hope of using bankruptcy to escape their bad choices? Do you not see how insane that sounds to any reasonable person?

    No. I haven't gone line by line through every single thing on that web site, but thus far, not one thing seems like it is a good idea. Just rename it the socialist party of American. Sounds like you want more of every government intervention and bad policy, that got us to where we are in the country. When you are getting sick from poison, the solution isn't more poison.
     
  4. brinny

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    Distributism is the opposite of the free market?
     
  5. Virgil the Roman

    Virgil the Roman Young Fogey & Monarchist-Distributist . . .

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    The Party supports Traditional Marriage between one man and one woman; no innovation of the same sex persuasion.
     
  6. Virgil the Roman

    Virgil the Roman Young Fogey & Monarchist-Distributist . . .

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    Distributism does encourage localism and local patronage where possible and viable. Also, I'd say that Capitalism isn't always identical with the Free Market. Capitalism or Usurious Capitolism would be a corruption and abuse of the free market, but probably also operating on the principle notion that Capitalism cannot self-regulate; but rather abides by the "Iron Law of Oligarchy" and as such always tends towards monopolisation or form of oligopolies and further and further centralisation of economics unhindered or unfettered by the general people.
     
  7. Desk trauma

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    They may want to come out and say that explicitly in their platform. Out of curiosity what would become of the legally married same sex couples were the party to gain actual power?
     
  8. Virgil the Roman

    Virgil the Roman Young Fogey & Monarchist-Distributist . . .

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    Quite potentially a status quo ante the Obergefell Decision or before the Legalisation of it in the States?
     
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  9. Virgil the Roman

    Virgil the Roman Young Fogey & Monarchist-Distributist . . .

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    So if buying your neighbour's corn or peppers is availible, they'd encourage you to shop or patronise local, domestic, and small biz where feasible. Not everyone can be a farmer; however where feasible and practical it encourages economic diffusion and subsidiarity. Making sure cooperatives, companies wherein workers have a stake or part ownership to work for its overall welfare and well-being, and owner-owned, would be a solid ideal.

    Now this isn't opposed to the ideal of medium or even large companies existing; but rather, not ensuring their dominance or control. If they exist, it'd be few of them, countered by a diverse or diffused economy of many businesses supporting their respective localities and regions. Keep production, business, and economy (and politics of course) as close as is viable or practicable to the common man. And moving up to the next tier or level of region or state from there on up where it can do the best job and most good for most folks. That is the general ideal or principle behind the impetus of 'subsidiarity'.
     
  10. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    Which would leave the legal marriages that were preformed after the ruling where?
     
  11. WannaWitness

    WannaWitness Shining God's Light for a Lost World.

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    I know that nobody has posted in this thread for several months, but I made the discovery of this "American Solidarity Party" through casual research. I wanted to start my own thread to gather some other info and opinions on it, but this looks to be a pretty recent thread about it (thanks to the OP, whoever you are) and figured it didn't hurt to "bump" it (if anything for the sake of the fact that people come and go on the forums at fast rates, allowing for new and different people to give their thoughts).

    I am basically nonpartisan (and probably always will be), but if I were to label myself with a political party of any kind, this would probably be the one, as it appears to have the right mixture of basic stances that fit my personal views if one must insist on connecting an earthly political party to a value system according to one's understanding of moral values based on Scripture. I don't understand a heck of a lot about politics and feel it's a great big mess, with no bridge between extremists on either end fighting (as opposed to orderly debate) over differences of opinion and getting no place. I am weary of the main two parties (no offense to my friends who are affiliated with either one) and as a Christian I simply find it hard to relate to just one. However, there are good intentions to both main parties (in my personal view), and the ASP embraces the best stances by both, as well as some of the other parties that are out there. Based on my observations, I see that like me, they are basically conservative on social issues such as abortion (sanctity of life) and sexual sins. However, as important as these things are to me based on my understanding of Scripture, I have always believed that there was more to supposed "Christian moral values" than just those things alone, so this party seems to allow for wiggle room on other important issues as well (and that stuff in between that has little or nothing to do with the Bible). Therefore, this party appears to be a breath of fresh air. It's a pretty new party from what I can see, but doesn't seem to be very widespread as of yet. However, I can hold on to hope that it can be given a fair chance as a good so-called "third party" alternative for those among us who are tired of the same old garbage when it comes to anything from the oh-so-confusing world of politics.:confused:

    Well anyway, we'll see. :neutral:

    I wish not to debate, especially since I still struggle to make sense of the whole "politics-in-connection-with-Biblical-morals" bit. :scratch:

    My brain is starting to hurt :confused2:, so if no one minds, I think I'll stop here for now. :grinning:
     
  12. Albion

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    Just bear this in mind. For any third party to get on the ballot is extremely difficult, time-consuming, and expensive. Few have ever made it in more than a couple of states, and most have almost no organization. You can give your heart to one of them and never have anything to do about it or with it, no voting for their candidates, participating in conventions, nothing.
     
  13. HermanNeutics13

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    I am not a member, nor have I yet voted for them, though I am seriously considering doing so if given the chance, although I disagree with some of their economic solutions.
     
  14. Albion

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    Is this the American Solidarity Party we/you are talking about now? If so, the first question is "Is it on the ballot in your state?" If not (and it is NOT on the ballot in most states) you won't have the chance to vote for their candidates.

    Even in the states where they might be on the ballot, the votes cast for the Party's candidates will never be reported by the media. The Libertarian Party (which I see you have listed as your preference at present) at least does not suffer from those problems.
     
  15. HermanNeutics13

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    That is what I mean by "if given the chance". I don't care how electable a party is, when the two options they are trying to force onto you are horrible. There are certain libertarians I would vote for, but their official platform isn't really pro-life. However philosophically, being pro-life is consistent with libertarian ideals. I wouldn't say they don't suffer from these issue, sure they have done a better job with ballot access. But they are still largely ignored by major media (except in this last election where they focused on Johnson's "what is Allepo" gaffe).
     
  16. Albion

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    OK. I can appreciate a stance taken for principle even if it is not going to be noticed by anyone else. What I was suggesting was that there might be another choice besides the American Solidarity Party, which (I assume) isn't even on your state's ballot so that you can throw your vote away (as they say) for the sake of principle. But it was just a thought.

    Yes. It is a difficult choice. With them you get a little, at least. With the American Solidarity Party, however, you get absolutely nothing. Not even the ability to cast a vote in protest.
     
  17. durangodawood

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    Even if a minor party gets on the ballot, most rational voters are disinclined to advance their ideological opposites by casting a hail mary throwaway vote on some upstart party.

    Both our election system and the composition of congress structurally favor 2 party races.

    We could change either, of course.
     
  18. iluvatar5150

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    Interesting. I only skimmed it, but at first glance, it seems like a decent mashup of concerns for a socially conscious conservative turned off by the jerky, selfish corporatism of the Republican party.

    Highway subsidies and willingness to build more roads; aversion to investment in public transportation; lower property tax rates; (usually) lower environmental impact and other permitting requirements; zoning laws mandating low density housing and oversized retail parking requirements.

    Those aren’t all technically subsidies, but they all encourage urban sprawl.

    No, because people generally don’t approach bankruptcy as a get out of jail free card.
     
  19. Yttrium

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    A more Catholic-friendly party?

    They're a bit too extreme on social issues for me, especially when it comes to abortion and transgender issues.
     
  20. iluvatar5150

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    More or less
     
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