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You will get a lot of hate becaue most christians do not worship mammon and God at the same time, yet...the christians in america seem to.
Its very sad when you see others take the Lords name in vain.
jesus says you will love one, and hate the other. You cant serve two masters.
Its very sad when you see others take the Lords name in vain.
jesus says you will love one, and hate the other. You cant serve two masters.
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Just like how the Jews told Pilot how He is claiming He is God.
He was God and in the same way we are a Christian nation even though the hate filled world will say we are not.
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Yeah I don't agree in that saying "Christian nation"; individuals are Christian, not nations. Christianity is a highly unpopular thing in American culture even though many profess to be Christian when they fill out forms or are asked by someone. I think that many do it just to conform and be perceived as Christian.
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We are a Christian nation in the fact that our Government reflects the morals of the people and traditionally our nation has always been Christian. That does not mean that every person was a Christian but that every person lived in a Christian nation. Our nation is of the people by the people and our morels have created the lays and our laws reflect our Christian nature.
Unfortunately that is up until the 1969's when I believe we became a harlot but I chose to remember our Christian heritage.
Unfortunately that is up until the 1969's when I believe we became a harlot but I chose to remember our Christian heritage.
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And its like I said a few minutes ago, the world would not let Christ be God and they will not allow us to be know as a Christian nation because their hate is greater than their love.
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Interesting article here about the question of America and it's Christian founding...
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/2011/06/did-america-have-a-christian-founding
Conclusions
So did America have a Christian Founding? History is complicated, and we should always be suspicious of simple answers to difficult questions. As we have seen, there is precious little evidence that the Founders were deists, wanted religion excluded from the public square, or desired the strict separation of church and state. On the other hand, they identified themselves as Christians, were influenced in important ways by Christian ideas, and generally thought it appropriate for civic authorities to encourage Christianity.
What do these facts mean for Americans who embrace non-Christian faiths or no faith at all? Although the Founders were profoundly influenced by Christianity, they did not design a constitutional order only for fellow believers. They explicitly prohibited religious tests for federal offices, and they were committed to the proposition that all men and women should be free to worship God (or not) as their consciences dictate.
As evidenced by George Washington’s 1790 letter to a “Hebrew Congregation” in Newport, Rhode Island, the new nation was to be open to a wide array of individuals who were willing to assume the responsibilities of citizenship:
All [citizens] possess alike liberty and conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
…May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy.[41]
Yet it does not follow from this openness that Americans should simply forget about their country’s Christian roots. Anyone interested in an accurate account of the nation’s past cannot afford to ignore the important influence of faith on many Americans, from the Puritans to the present day.
Christian ideas underlie some key tenets of America’s constitutional order. For instance, the Founders believed that humans are created in the image of God, which led them to design institutions and laws meant to protect and promote human dignity. Because they were convinced that humans are sinful, they attempted to avoid the concentration of power by framing a national government with carefully enumerated powers. As well, the Founders were committed to liberty, but they never imagined that provisions of the Bill of Rights would be used to protect licentiousness. And they clearly thought moral considerations should inform legislation.
America has drifted from these first principles. We would do well to reconsider the wisdom of these changes.
The Founders believed it permissible for the national and state governments to encourage Christianity, but this may no longer be prudential in our increasingly pluralistic country. Yet the Constitution does not mandate a secular polity, and we should be wary of jurists, politicians, and academics who would strip religion from the public square. We should certainly reject arguments that America’s Founders intended the First Amendment to prohibit neutral programs that support faith-based social service agencies, religious schools, and the like.[42]
Finally, we ignore at our peril the Founders’ insight that democracy requires a moral people and that faith is an important, if not indispensable, support for morality. Such faith may well flourish best without government support, but it should not have to flourish in the face of government hostility.
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/2011/06/did-america-have-a-christian-founding
Conclusions
So did America have a Christian Founding? History is complicated, and we should always be suspicious of simple answers to difficult questions. As we have seen, there is precious little evidence that the Founders were deists, wanted religion excluded from the public square, or desired the strict separation of church and state. On the other hand, they identified themselves as Christians, were influenced in important ways by Christian ideas, and generally thought it appropriate for civic authorities to encourage Christianity.
What do these facts mean for Americans who embrace non-Christian faiths or no faith at all? Although the Founders were profoundly influenced by Christianity, they did not design a constitutional order only for fellow believers. They explicitly prohibited religious tests for federal offices, and they were committed to the proposition that all men and women should be free to worship God (or not) as their consciences dictate.
As evidenced by George Washington’s 1790 letter to a “Hebrew Congregation” in Newport, Rhode Island, the new nation was to be open to a wide array of individuals who were willing to assume the responsibilities of citizenship:
All [citizens] possess alike liberty and conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
…May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy.[41]
Yet it does not follow from this openness that Americans should simply forget about their country’s Christian roots. Anyone interested in an accurate account of the nation’s past cannot afford to ignore the important influence of faith on many Americans, from the Puritans to the present day.
Christian ideas underlie some key tenets of America’s constitutional order. For instance, the Founders believed that humans are created in the image of God, which led them to design institutions and laws meant to protect and promote human dignity. Because they were convinced that humans are sinful, they attempted to avoid the concentration of power by framing a national government with carefully enumerated powers. As well, the Founders were committed to liberty, but they never imagined that provisions of the Bill of Rights would be used to protect licentiousness. And they clearly thought moral considerations should inform legislation.
America has drifted from these first principles. We would do well to reconsider the wisdom of these changes.
The Founders believed it permissible for the national and state governments to encourage Christianity, but this may no longer be prudential in our increasingly pluralistic country. Yet the Constitution does not mandate a secular polity, and we should be wary of jurists, politicians, and academics who would strip religion from the public square. We should certainly reject arguments that America’s Founders intended the First Amendment to prohibit neutral programs that support faith-based social service agencies, religious schools, and the like.[42]
Finally, we ignore at our peril the Founders’ insight that democracy requires a moral people and that faith is an important, if not indispensable, support for morality. Such faith may well flourish best without government support, but it should not have to flourish in the face of government hostility.
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I do not understand in the age of the internet with so much information at your fingertips that you could still utter such uninformed and blanket statements regarding an entire country and your fellow believers within it.
I suppose if one decided to only focus on the popular media news stories involving dishonest preachers then I might understand such contempt...
America is such a varied and large country that drawing stereotypical views of it is nearly impossible if one cares to be educated.
I live in a conservative rural farming area with low crime, four distinct seasons, and forests and mountains just to the East.
I have lived in Hawaii, Arizona, Tennessee, California, and Iowa. All very different places with different climates, topography, and demographics.
America is unique in that you can live in a tropical paradise and surf everyday(Hawaii), or live in a ghetto metropolitan area with brutal winters and get shot at every day(Chicago), and still be called an American in either locale.
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I don't believe America is or ever has been a Christian nation. You can't call yourself a Christian nation when looking at the genocide of Native Americans and slavery which was institutionalized in America for centuries. Make no mistake when I say slavery that also includes murder, repeated rapes, branding, cutting off limbs, and every evil thing that you can imagine was done to those slaves. I want that clear because I know how some love to minimize slavery. There was nothing Christian about any of it. There are Christians who are American but America a Christian nation? No and some people who say they are Christians should have enough integrity to be honest about that...
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I agree slavery is abhorrent. What nation do you think could be called a "Christian nation"? I can't think of any country that has not engaged in slavery at some point in it's past.
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There aren't any. God's Church is universal. He has people all over the world and the Lord is our King. That's where this Scripture Hebrews 11:10 comes into play. We're just sojourners. To get into this thing with trying to exalt America to a Holy status to me is a form of idolatry. That is wrong to do. This is not our home...
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The Dutch were the first Europeans to accept slavery in the area now called the United States (New Amsterdam - now called New York) and many tribes of Native Americans had a long history of capturing their enemies and enslaving them...heck, some were even cannibalistic. It wasn't Americans that went and captured the African slaves...it was Africans that captured the men and women who were sold into slavery. Slavery has a long history that is much longer than its short stay on American soil. ....I am thinking of 276 underaged Nigerian girls who were captured and forced into slavery not that long ago ... and yet we have mostly forgotten them ....
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Does the presence of slavery nullify Christianity? Why doesn't the Bible tell them it is okay to defy and escape then? We don't get to put our own morality into the picture. The Bible clearly accepts slavery as part of the society we have made for ourselves in this fallen world. Unlike divorce, it doesn't even have any direct verses that I can think of that says Christians must not participate in this aspect of society .... I don't think it is right but at the same time, the Bible directly accepts its presence and states their reward will be in Heaven.
Colossians 3:22-24 (NIV)
22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.
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That prosperity gospel isn't solely American; plenty of international people in that.
Right, but it's an American export, at the very least
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CENTURIES? really? United States of America became a country in 1781 and the emancipation proclamation was signed in 1863.
And when a culture conquers another, the first thing is does is attempt to destroy the conquered people's culture and history and replace it with their own. That is a fact of war (even it it isn't pretty to acknowledge)....regardless of what time in history you are looking at. It is even what God commanded the Jews do when they conquered a city...destroy everything....and often kill everyone.
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quietpraiyze
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Why am I not surprised. God never commanded the kind of slavery that America had. Africans took from other tribes to try and protect their own. They did this while their loved ones were held under threat of harm but you go ahead and keep telling that lie. I'm not surprised that you would try and use the bible to justify slavery in America. That's exactly what some white Americans did and I see that you have kept that tradition. To be honest I wouldn't expect anything less from you. The fact that you would even try and use the bible to justify slavery in America is disgusting and I have no respect or tolerance for that at all. The Word of God will never back up the slavery that happened in America. That evil will never be justified and America will forever be stained because of it, so I don't care what spin you try and put on it. Now you go google whatever you want but it's not up for debate with me. As I said in my opinion, America is not a Christian nation and never has been.
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