America Doesnt Want More Children

[wing2000]

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Okay, let's consider a 2 BR condo for having more children: Presumably two children could share a bedroom for a few years. But having two children will not increase the population will it? And asking 3 children to share a small secondary bedroom might be a bit much...even for "ordinary" families.

Let's look at one listing:

3450 Erva St APT 248, Las Vegas, NV 89117 | MLS #2701456 | Zillow

This 882 square feet Condo home has 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. It is located at 3450 Erva St APT 248, Las Vegas, NV.

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For a young couple in Las Vegas, where the average income is $37k, they will need to make $65k a year to afford a $235,000 home [ Monthly payment of $1,639, including mortgage, tax, insurance, HOA fees]. And with a 25 year old condo, those HOA fees will likely increase.

 

[FireDragon76]

Sounds like a recipe for success. How are they doing?

What does that have to do with anything? The vanguard of western civilization, the United Stase, is teetering on collapse under its own contradictions. If and when it falls, the gravity of the world order will shift, and that's going to have consequences for all western countries.

Let's put it this way, traditional societies live more or less with the values they have for tens of thousands of years. How long has your society lasted?

 

[BCP1928]

That was a poor choice. I'm more familiar with housing prices in las Vegas which is a lot closer to $240k.

LOL. It makes a difference. a few years ago I retired and bought a nice two bedroom house in a small town in North Carolina. It happened that at the same time that my son, who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, bought his first house. "Dad!!! Just my closing costs were more than your whole house--and you got a better house!!!"

 

[ozso]

Okay, let's consider a 2 BR condo for having more children: Presumably two children could share a bedroom for a few years. But having two children will not increase the population will it? And asking 3 children to share a small secondary bedroom might be a bit much...even for "ordinary" families.

Let's look at one listing:

3450 Erva St APT 248, Las Vegas, NV 89117 | MLS #2701456 | Zillow

This 882 square feet Condo home has 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. It is located at 3450 Erva St APT 248, Las Vegas, NV.

www.zillow.com

For a young couple in Las Vegas, where the average income is $37k, they will need to make $65k a year to afford a $235,000 home [ Monthly payment of $1,639, including mortgage, tax, insurance, HOA fees]. And with a 25 year old condo, those HOA fees will likely increase.

A 2 br home in 1975 was about $40k. $40k in 75 had the buying power of $239k today.

 

[wing2000]

A 2 br home in 1975 was about $40k. $40k in 75 had the buying power of $239k today.

Buying power would need to account for income and expenses one didn't have in '75.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Okay, let's consider a 2 BR condo for having more children: Presumably two children could share a bedroom for a few years. But having two children will not increase the population will it? And asking 3 children to share a small secondary bedroom might be a bit much...even for "ordinary" families.

Let's look at one listing:

3450 Erva St APT 248, Las Vegas, NV 89117 | MLS #2701456 | Zillow

This 882 square feet Condo home has 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. It is located at 3450 Erva St APT 248, Las Vegas, NV.

www.zillow.com

For a young couple in Las Vegas, where the average income is $37k, they will need to make $65k a year to afford a $235,000 home [ Monthly payment of $1,639, including mortgage, tax, insurance, HOA fees]. And with a 25 year old condo, those HOA fees will likely increase.

By your numbers, and other measures I suppose, Las Vegas looks unsustainable.

 

[RileyG]

America Doesnt Want More Children.

Thats the impression I get. If you have children, will they get a good education with small class sizes, access to health care, a reliable housing situation? Maybe, maybe not, unless youre rich. Its a lot of maybe and doesnt sound like the right environment for having kids. Apparently a lot of people agree.

That’s unfortunate. The future belongs to the young….

 

[durangodawood]

That’s unfortunate. The future belongs to the young….

Well the young will still be there. Just less of them.

 

[RileyG]

Well the young will still be there. Just less of them.

That’s really sad.

 

[durangodawood]

That’s really sad.

Heres a picture from my Kyushu bike tour. Apparently the stuffed figures in the abandoned school window were placed there by older people so the whole place doesnt feel so empty. Between low birth rates and migration to urban areas many parts of rural Japan do feel a bit sad and lonely.

 

[RileyG]

Heres a picture from my Kyushu bike tour. Apparently the stuffed figures in the abandoned school window were placed there by older people so the whole place doesnt feel so empty. Between low birth rates and migration to urban areas many parts of rural Japan do feel a bit sad and lonely.

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Thats really too bad.

 

[ozso]

Okay, let's consider a 2 BR condo for having more children: Presumably two children could share a bedroom for a few years. But having two children will not increase the population will it? And asking 3 children to share a small secondary bedroom might be a bit much...even for "ordinary" families.

Let's look at one listing:

3450 Erva St APT 248, Las Vegas, NV 89117 | MLS #2701456 | Zillow

This 882 square feet Condo home has 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. It is located at 3450 Erva St APT 248, Las Vegas, NV.

www.zillow.com

For a young couple in Las Vegas, where the average income is $37k, they will need to make $65k a year to afford a $235,000 home [ Monthly payment of $1,639, including mortgage, tax, insurance, HOA fees]. And with a 25 year old condo, those HOA fees will likely increase.

The average household income is 70k.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I wanted kids, but I wouldn't do that to a child. Unless I can afford to move to a different country. I don't like were the United States is headed. If I did get pregnant, I wouldn't abort. Of course I would raise my child.

 

[FireDragon76]

Heres a picture from my Kyushu bike tour. Apparently the stuffed figures in the abandoned school window were placed there by older people so the whole place doesnt feel so empty. Between low birth rates and migration to urban areas many parts of rural Japan do feel a bit sad and lonely.

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Japan's post-war optimism and success was crushed by trade deals and monetary policies the US compelled the Japanese to accept in the George H. W. Bush era. When combined with Neoliberalism, it flattened Japan's economic vitality (so much for the US hegemony being strictly about mutually beneficial relations). Today, you can hardly blame Japanese people for being less optimistic about having children. They've been enculturated by Post-WWII shame and neo-colonialism to internalize safe, salary-man jobs as the only thing that's respectable enough to raise a family responsibly, simultaneously being denied the economy opportunities to make that happen.

 

[Nithavela]

What does that have to do with anything? The vanguard of western civilization, the United Stase, is teetering on collapse under its own contradictions. If and when it falls, the gravity of the world order will shift, and that's going to have consequences for all western countries.

Let's put it this way, traditional societies live more or less with the values they have for tens of thousands of years. How long has your society lasted?

Longer than it should have, so far.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

We disagree.

Progressive ideas have been in the church for years and are becoming more and more verbal.

It is the progressive ideals that support abortion, homosexuality, trans etc.

I agree that progressive ideology is influencing churches not only in America but throughout the Western world.

There are churches throughout the Western world that teach homosexuality is not considered a sin. Some of these churches interpret biblical verses related to homosexuality differently or do not recognize those passages as divine text. There are churches throughout the Western world that claim the word "abortion" does not appear in the Bible; therefore, they argue, abortion is not considered a sin. Some churches teach that God is loving and opposes suffering, so they reject the idea of eternal hell.

These teachings are significantly influencing the Christian perspective and broader society in Western contexts. Some churches appear to prioritize adapting to contemporary societal trends, modifying their interpretation of the Bible and Christianity to align with modern values, rather than following strictly to Biblical principles. This approach involve altering Biblical doctrines to match current societal norms, rather than using scriptural teachings as a catalyst for change within society.

It should be noted that certain conservative groups, particularly some churches in the United States, engage in similar activities. Some of these churches promote alignment with conservative political ideologies by teaching that the death penalty, self-defense, and firearms ownership are supported by biblical principles. In addition, some churches advocate for patriotism and nationalism as biblically justified, asserting that God created distinct nations through geography and may bless one nation over another.

 

[BCP1928]

But the real issue is not the doctrine of the churches themselves. Some churches teach that the sex stuff is sinful, others not so much. But even many of those churches who teach that the sex stuff is sinful don't go on to require that Christian sins be criminalized for the non-Christians citizens of a secular state. Those are the churches MAGA really hates.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

How does that effect people's inclination to have fewer or no children? I agree that smaller family size has become something of a "progressive" ideal, but I don't see a direct connection between that and those issues you mention.

Like many issues, this became political, with conservatives blaming progressive ideology and progressives blaming conservatives.

Conservatives typically have more children than liberals. The concept of the nuclear family is often associated with biblical principles, as many passages from Genesis to the Gospels support ideas of nuclear family structure, procreation, and seeing children as blessings.

“Children are a gift from the Lord; they are a reward from him.”

The Bible also does not condemn choosing not to have children. In fact, Paul encouraged Christian to remain unmarried and to lead a celibate life.

“I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.”

Progressivism does not assert that having children is undesirable; instead, many progressives often prioritize objectives beyond establishing a traditional nuclear family. As a result, progressive families tend to have fewer children compared to conservative families.

But as usual, people blame each other instead of assessing things objectively.

 

[BCP1928]

Like many issues, this became political, with conservatives blaming progressive ideology and progressives blaming conservatives.

Conservatives typically have more children than liberals. The concept of the nuclear family is often associated with biblical principles, as many passages from Genesis to the Gospels support ideas of nuclear family structure, procreation, and seeing children as blessings.

“Children are a gift from the Lord; they are a reward from him.”

The Bible also does not condemn choosing not to have children. In fact, Paul encouraged Christian to remain unmarried and to lead a celibate life.

“I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.”

Progressivism does not assert that having children is undesirable; instead, many progressives often prioritize objectives beyond establishing a traditional nuclear family. As a result, progressive families tend to have fewer children compared to conservative families.

But as usual, people blame each other instead of assessing things objectively.

The clanger being that the "nuclear family" as promoted by conservative Christians was unknown in biblical times.

 

[rambot]

I love it when a bunch of old pfarts like us come online and rile ourselves up about the younger generations. Its so "old man yelling at clouds".

4 pages and no one has thought to see what young people say?

And not only that....some reasons I'm reading are ...just patently absurd....people are having less kids because of "lgbt"?...
...
..wha?


So...found this.

You'd note that about 14% there could be argued are due to "progressive ideas". That's it.


Just don't want to. I'm not too surprised by that. American culture is based on convenience. Has been for a while but with thr advent of the internet it seems that social relations of all kinds are in jeopardy.

It's also a hyperindividualistic ..again..kids interfere with that. Now culture has also gotten to the point where not having kids is an option that won't make you be seen as a degenerate.