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For me this changes nothing. We still are not allowed to "promote non-nicene" beliefs. All this amendment does is attempts to appease by creating a "congregational forum" for "unorthodox" members. It is stating that if you do not believe as CF does, you are not "Christian" enough.
Also, what is the point of a congregational forum if we are not allowed to promote our own beliefs with in it?
What I said still applies. How can we fellowship when we can not "promote" our beliefs (i.e. talk about our beliefs in a positive light)?It isn't a congregational. It is a fellowship subforum. It is for all the posters in the new UT debate forum as opposed to something for one group only.
Thank you for taking this positive step.Promotion of non-Nicene beliefs will still be covered under the rules, and members will have to be careful to avoid promoting beliefs in the fellowship and theology forums. Posts intended to inform, rather than promote, are still allowed.
What I said still applies. How can we fellowship when we can not "promote" our beliefs (i.e. talk about our beliefs in a positive light)?
What I said still applies. How can we fellowship when we can not "promote" our beliefs (i.e. talk about our beliefs in a positive light)?
Is fellowship restricted to trivial things not related to faith?Fellowshipping would be fellowshipping, not promoting. It would include threads that were meant for us to get to know each other that don't necessarily belong in a debate forum. Like the "What's your favorite video?" thread, or the "What kind of music do you like?" thread, etc.
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]That looks like an improvement, but I am not clear on what is going to happen. I can't find the pertinent wiki nor its snapshot, so I shall use my own definitions for levels of categorization :[/FONT]mnphysicist said:[1] Non-Nicene Theology is renamed Unorthodox Theology and moved to the Theology forum category;
[2] A fellowship forum is created for unorthodox members as a sub-forum of Unorthodox Theology;
[3] All existing unorthodox theology discussion threads are moved to the Unorthodox Theology forum; all existing threads in the unorthodox Congregations are moved to the fellowship sub-forum.
Such measures are evidence of the inferiority of the Nicene worldview and I will demote it as such. Niceneans are weak in faith.[/FONT]mnphysicist said:Over the next month, staff will go in and clean up any promotion type posts or threads. Posts or threads older than 30 days will be left alone to scroll off the page, unless promotion is especially egregious. No violations will be issued for posts made prior to Jan. 31.
If I understand correctly, you forums would be moved to The Christian Faith section. So you would be recognised as Christian.[/FONT]Apex said:For me this changes nothing. We still are not allowed to "promote non-nicene" beliefs. All this amendment does is attempts to appease by creating a "congregational forum" for "unorthodox" members. It is stating that if you do not believe as CF does, you are not "Christian" enough.
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Starting a wiki on it is no longer possible, but perhaps a dedicated thread on the definition of promotion would be useful.[/FONT]Crazy Liz said:Maybe we could start with a little quiz:
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Niceneans should then be prohibited from promoting the Nicene worldview in the Unorthodox Theology subcategory.[/FONT]A New Dawn said:I disagree. Discussing and promoting are two different things. You can have a good discussion without promoting. When I was unorthodox I had no problem discussing things and never got called down for promoting things.
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The unorthodox Christian could call the orthodox one on it, for example with You are preaching or The forum rules do not permit me to tell the truth about this issue.[/FONT]Starlight said:But what if the other side in a discussion (the one which is allowed to promote their beliefs) starts promoting their views instead of simply discussing it?
Be it hate or ridicule, Christianity has dropped on my respect scale since LeeD is in charge.[/FONT]RendaLane said:I know you're not asking me. But, imo, because not every Christian holds to this site's ideas of what that means, for one thing. And supressing other peoples beliefs doesn't lead to conversion, it leads people to hate Christianity.
'I am OK. You are OK.' is one of the basic principles of communication. When will God learn ?[/FONT]A New Dawn said:The Bible says a lot of other things that are, frankly, ignored by people who feel that one theology is as good as another, even if it isn't Biblical. God never said "I'm OK, You're OK". He did say "Go thy way and sin no more", though.
Will you stop slandering LeeD please ? That's my prerogative.[/FONT]Rep Daddy said:The goal is not FAIR. When LeeD says he does not want Non-Nicene views promoted he is making it clear that his goal is not fairness, He has a POV that he wants promoted and one he does not. Fairness isn't the yardstick, the Nicene Creed is.
I never quite understood what promoting was, I had this in my "How I became a Christian" box, and it was said to be promoting, and I don't see how... maybe while people are asking about what constitutes promoting, they can tell me why this was considered promoting:
How I became a Christian/Pantheist:
I was raised as a member of the Worldwide Church of God, where I came to believe in Christ, God, and the Bible. (inform) I never 'accepted' Christ, because He came into my life without my bidding. Eventually, I left the Church I grew up in, and started to move away from the beliefs I once held. Though, as I did this, it seemed I grew closer to Christ, for He became not some historical person who died for my sins, but a living being, some One whom I loved.(inform) This came to be because I slowly accepted beliefs from other religions, which pointed toward pantheism-the belief that everything is God.(inform-accepting beliefs from other religions did point me toward pantheism) I could see that everything is energy, all interconnected, all part of One, and what could that One be but God? Who could that One be but Christ?(inform: how I see things) So, now I worship Christ as a personal manifestation of the One, filled with Love, who died to bring us all together once again.(yet again, inform, how I worship and see Christ)
So, if no one minds, please point out the promotion in this paragraph.
Or Do you believe in the Book of Mormon? If so why? Will someone come along and slap a warning or ban on me for honestly answering?So, under what category would fall a response to "Why are you a Unitarian Christian"?
Subjectivity can be abused very easily. My advice train staff with caution to withhold their mod powers unless there is a CLEAR violation of a rule. What is an answer to one could be heresy to another.the only part that imo that would be considered promoting would be the conclusions you personally reached, as if they were now truth for everyone
Or Do you believe in the Book of Mormon? If so why? Will someone come along and slap a warning or ban on me for honestly answering?
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