AMD or Pentium

[Dyrwen]

First off, thanks to drfeelgood, good information there and some I was unaware of at the time.

I personally used to be a big AMD fan, but from what I've seen over the years AMD tends to just boast their speed as better than Pentiums for business. I've heard that the 64 bits they're running nowdays aren't up to par for usage and can't actually be used to their full potential anyways.

In general, I've had decent experiences with each. I started off with a Pentium/Celeron 300mhz for 3 years, moved into an AMD Athlon 1.3ghz for 3 years, now I've got a Pentium 4 3.0ghz that I've had for a few months. I'd say the pentiums are certainly more stable at times and have no real downfalls such as the overheating in AMD. Quality processors either way. I just prefer the pricing on most P4's.

Can't wait to see speed caps in the future.

 

[Stryper]

well i have a 2.4ghz p4 and a 2700+ and the 2700+ is generally faster. i havnt had any problems with the amd. and i spent $150 total on the mobo and cpu. The powersupply that came with my case was amd certified and i only spent $50 on the case. I dont think you can get as good intel system as cheap as that. $200 for everything-case, cpu, mobo.

so i trully believe that AMD is cheaper unless you (Dr. feelgood) can show me a comparable deal.

 

[pieman3141]

If you read Anandtech, Intel is actually replacing the P4 architecture in 2006 with the Centrino (aka Tualatin, aka P III, aka P II, aka P Pro) architecture. Prescott produces too muhc heat, and quantities are too low. Seems the P4 has it its limit without refrigerant cooling, or at least water cooling.

 

[SirKenin]

No, they aren't replacing it with Centrino as far as I know. Centrino is merely a mobile processor with lower power consumption. lol. It's actually a cross between a P3 and a P4. Anand doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, as usual.

Here, I found another link for you. http://www.arstechnica.com/cpu/004/pentium-m/pentium-m-1.html

They are retaining the Prescott CPU's, as they provide high yield at low cost.

They are introducing a new socket in second quarter 2004 to replace socket 478. This will be their next big thing. That's why I recommend staying away from the Northwood processors if you're ready for an upgrade.

 

[SirKenin]

well i have a 2.4ghz p4 and a 2700+ and the 2700+ is generally faster. i havnt had any problems with the amd. and i spent $150 total on the mobo and cpu. The powersupply that came with my case was amd certified and i only spent $50 on the case. I dont think you can get as good intel system as cheap as that. $200 for everything-case, cpu, mobo.

so i trully believe that AMD is cheaper unless you (Dr. feelgood) can show me a comparable deal.

First, subjective ratings of "generally faster" are meaningless. You and I both know this. Please provide actual figures, such as what I have provided from two AMD fanboys.

Second, as much as AMD likes to publicly deny it, the 2700+ designation meant that your CPU would compete with a 2.7GHz P4, if one existed.

Third, I dug some prices up for you from Newegg.com and TigerDirect.com. I must like you or something. lol An AMD 2800+ is roughly equivalent to a P4 2.66GHz in benchmarks according to Tom's Hardware *shudder*. So, based upon that I did a search for mainboards and CPU.

AMD 2800+ retail box - $130.00
Albatron (AMD approved) board - $51

$181.00 (and don't forget the aftermarket cooler).

$29 Thermaltake Volcano 10+ cooler is AMD approved and will be sufficient for the enthusiast.

$210.00

Intel 2.66 GHz retail box - $163
Albatron board - $49

$212.00 (factory cooler is sufficient for an enthusiast doing some overclocking)

 

[cabbitgrrrl]

I'm a Pentium fan myself. I've found it's a little bit more stable with less heat issues. (personal opinion)

thats only cuz the pentium doesnt work very hard, pentiums are lazy

 

[cabbitgrrrl]

First, subjective ratings of "generally faster" are meaningless. You and I both know this. Please provide actual figures, such as what I have provided from two AMD fanboys.

Second, as much as AMD likes to publicly deny it, the 2700+ designation meant that your CPU would compete with a 2.7GHz P4, if one existed.

Third, I dug some prices up for you from Newegg.com and TigerDirect.com. I must like you or something. lol An AMD 2800+ is roughly equivalent to a P4 2.66GHz in benchmarks according to Tom's Hardware *shudder*. So, based upon that I did a search for mainboards and CPU.

AMD 2800+ retail box - $130.00
Albatron (AMD approved) board - $51

$181.00 (and don't forget the aftermarket cooler).

$29 Thermaltake Volcano 10+ cooler is AMD approved and will be sufficient for the enthusiast.

$210.00

Intel 2.66 GHz retail box - $163
Albatron board - $49

$212.00 (factory cooler is sufficient for an enthusiast doing some overclocking)

my volcano 10+ only costed $19... and that was retail from a store, not some incredible online price

 

[cabbitgrrrl]

First off, thanks to drfeelgood, good information there and some I was unaware of at the time.

I personally used to be a big AMD fan, but from what I've seen over the years AMD tends to just boast their speed as better than Pentiums for business. I've heard that the 64 bits they're running nowdays aren't up to par for usage and can't actually be used to their full potential anyways.

In general, I've had decent experiences with each. I started off with a Pentium/Celeron 300mhz for 3 years, moved into an AMD Athlon 1.3ghz for 3 years, now I've got a Pentium 4 3.0ghz that I've had for a few months. I'd say the pentiums are certainly more stable at times and have no real downfalls such as the overheating in AMD. Quality processors either way. I just prefer the pricing on most P4's.

Can't wait to see speed caps in the future.

erm the pricing on P4s is generally higher than Athlons...

 

[SirKenin]

my volcano 10+ only costed $19... and that was retail from a store, not some incredible online price

I'd yell at TigerDirect.com. That was their retail box price...

 

[Stryper]

First, subjective ratings of "generally faster" are meaningless. You and I both know this. Please provide actual figures, such as what I have provided from two AMD fanboys.

Second, as much as AMD likes to publicly deny it, the 2700+ designation meant that your CPU would compete with a 2.7GHz P4, if one existed.

Third, I dug some prices up for you from Newegg.com and TigerDirect.com. I must like you or something. lol An AMD 2800+ is roughly equivalent to a P4 2.66GHz in benchmarks according to Tom's Hardware *shudder*. So, based upon that I did a search for mainboards and CPU.

AMD 2800+ retail box - $130.00
Albatron (AMD approved) board - $51

$181.00 (and don't forget the aftermarket cooler).

$29 Thermaltake Volcano 10+ cooler is AMD approved and will be sufficient for the enthusiast.

$210.00

Intel 2.66 GHz retail box - $163
Albatron board - $49

$212.00 (factory cooler is sufficient for an enthusiast doing some overclocking)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-376&depa=0
$113 for the 2800+

price sounds right for mobo

and there is a cpu fan and heatsink included with the processor.


so its really $164



And you can provide as many figures and numbers as you want. But the real test is when you try it yourself. Give yourself a chance to play around with both of the cpu's and tehn make your decision on which one is generally faster with the applications you use.

 

[SirKenin]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-376&depa=0
$113 for the 2800+

price sounds right for mobo

and there is a cpu fan and heatsink included with the processor.


so its really $164

Don't quote the price for OEM CPU's as opposed to retail box CPU's such as you have here Stryper. There is quite a difference. An OEM CPU has a 30-90 day warranty, it must be warranted by the OEM, and it has no fan or packaging. Retail box CPU's have a full warranty, it's warranted by AMD, it has a fan and retail packaging.

Obviously the OEM CPU is much cheaper than a retail box CPU. If you wish to do that, then compare apples to apples and include the Intel OEM CPU instead

 

[Stryper]

nontheless it includes a heatsink and fan in the price you mentioned.

 

[SirKenin]

nontheless it includes a heatsink and fan in the price you mentioned.

I realize that, but a) the prices are close enough without adding the HSF in to it and b) I used the enthusiast as a reference, which gives me a bit of an advantage when making my point. I kinda did it on purpose..