Am I Going To Hell?

[rebazar]

Nowhere in scripture does it suggest that Hell is for "God's children". Hell is for those who are not God's children.

Sorry, but the above quote is incorrect. We are ALL God's children irrigardless the kind of free will choices we make. The fact that ONE of your children doesn't listen to you in no way negates the fact that he is still your child. If your FREE WILL choice is the total embrace of iniquity then the universal law of:"What Mercy cannot rehabilitate, Justice will annihilate" will apply. The TRUTH of all the Creation is God, whose qualities are: Joy, Goodness, Love, Mercy, Kindness etc ,which precludes any possibility of there being Hell.If Mercy cannot rehabilitate you, from the universal standpoint you are then deemed to be TOTALLY INSANE, and Justice will annihilate you.


Cheers

 

[Norseman]

You are right that no one can come to Christ unless God the Father calls him.

You are mistaken, no one can come to Mohammed unless Allah the Savior calls him.

If I were you and made a statement like that, I'd be on my knees asking for forgiveness before it's too late. You might do well to read the Bible--start in Genesis.

Yeah I read it, I put it back in the fiction section after the first five chapters. Too gory for my taste, especially with the drowning the whole world thing. Not to mention the raping and murdering, the slaughter of innocent children, that's just not the kind of book I'm into, and if your god did all that he's just an accident waiting to happpen.

 

[mindgamesnumber1]

To answer the OP You are no more likely to go to hell that anyone else. As long as you believe in Christ then you will be saved but part of believeing in Christ is obeying him which you are not doing at the moment completely. Don't get me wrong, all Christians saints, whatever, sin but the differance between a sinner and a Christian is that Christians want to become more like Christ and obey him. As long as you are pushing towards being Christ-like you are in the clear.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Yeah I read it, I put it back in the fiction section after the first five chapters. Too gory for my taste, especially with the drowning the whole world thing. Not to mention the raping and murdering, the slaughter of innocent children, that's just not the kind of book I'm into, and if your god did all that he's just an accident waiting to happpen.

You probably meant to say ...after the first eight chapters (Noah's flood accout begins in chapter 7). Don't worry though, I got your back.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

BTW KTG, why would you care what anybody else thinks about your eternal destination anyway? The question should be, what do YOU think about your eternal destination. Once you figure this out, you can begin to live your life accordingly.

 

[12volt_man]

Sorry, but the above quote is incorrect. We are ALL God's children irrigardless the kind of free will choices we make.

Or so you say but the Bible disagrees with you.

Romans 8:14-16 tells us that we become God's children by recieving His spirit through Christ.

Romans 9:8 goes on to tell us flat out that the children of the flesh (that is, those seperated from God by sin) are not the children of God.

Galatians 3:26 tells us that we are the children of God by the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:5 tells us that we are made sons of God through Christ.

See also Galatians 4:5.

Clearly, we see that those outside of Christ are not children of God.

 

[rebazar]

Sorry, but the above quote is incorrect. We are ALL God's children irrigardless the kind of free will choices we make.

Or so you say but the Bible disagrees with you.

Romans 8:14-16 tells us that we become God's children by recieving His spirit through Christ.

Romans 9:8 goes on to tell us flat out that the children of the flesh (that is, those seperated from God by sin) are not the children of God.

Galatians 3:26 tells us that we are the children of God by the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:5 tells us that we are made sons of God through Christ.

See also Galatians 4:5.

Clearly, we see that those outside of Christ are not children of God.

Are you saying that 5/6 of the world's population are going to Hell, because they are outside of Christ and therefore are not children of God ???


Cheers

 

[12volt_man]

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Are you saying that 5/6 of the world's population are going to Hell, because they are outside of Christ and therefore are not children of God ???

I'm saying that God's word clearly shows us that not everyone is a "child of God", as you say they are.

 

[Ave Maria]

Well, I am not one to judge so I cannot say whether or not you are going to Hell. However, I must say that my views on morality and the various topics you mentioned are drastically different from yours. I believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God and that it was inspired by God. I believe that gay marriage and "civil unions" for gays are wrong and should not be allowed. I believe that homosexuality is sinful. I believe that abortion is wrong and should only be used in cases where the mother's life is at stake. I believe the only way to go to Heaven is to be born-again. So, are you born again? If so, then you're going to Heaven. If not, you're going to Hell. But like I said, God will judge in the end, not me.

 

[rebazar]

I'm saying that God's word clearly shows us that not everyone is a "child of God", as you say they are.

When you say a "child of God" you probably mean "follower of Christ". We are ALL children of God but NOT ALL are followers of Christ. How can one not be a child of God when he is the only creator ??


Cheers

 

[12volt_man]

When you say a "child of God" you probably mean "follower of Christ". We are ALL children of God but NOT ALL are followers of Christ.

Actually, I've already demonstrated using scripture that we are not all children of God.

How can one not be a child of God when he is the only creator ??

Creation does not equal child.

A child has the nature of the parent. Righteousness cannot beget unrighteousness.

Notice that each of the verses say that we are adopted to be God's children, not that we are born or created as God's children. Or, as Ephesians 2:13 says, we who were once afar off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Just as righteousness cannot beget unrighteousness, if we are children of unrighteousness, we cannot become children of righteousness unless we are somehow made righteous.

The verses and passages I listed for you show that it is Christ who makes us righteous and, thereby, grafts us into God's family.

Again, not everyone is God's child.

 

[rebazar]

Maybe you'd be interested in this:http://www.christianforums.com/t701889
It might be a bit of a difficult reading but the reward is a much better understanding of thing spiritual !!

 

[truthful1]

Are you saying that 5/6 of the world's population are going to Hell, because they are outside of Christ and therefore are not children of God ???


Cheers

Well, I don't think we know the exact proportion, but the Bible says few people will make it to Heaven.

 

[truthful1]

You are mistaken, no one can come to Mohammed unless Allah the Savior calls him.

If I'm not mistaken, this is a Christian site. Besides, that's not what Islam teaches anyway.

Yeah I read it, I put it back in the fiction section after the first five chapters. Too gory for my taste, especially with the drowning the whole world thing. Not to mention the raping and murdering, the slaughter of innocent children, that's just not the kind of book I'm into, and if your god did all that he's just an accident waiting to happpen.

May He have mercy on your soul.

 

[JJM]

so, as many of you might know i am a very liberal catholic, i belive in abortion and in gay marriage...i also believe in the death penalty and in free speech

i listen to rock music and i listen to some rap where many times there is some sort of sexual inneundo...i also listen to christina aguilera who has no problem talking about her sexual escapades...i have no problem with "satanic saturday night" and often watch saturday night live..and can't wait for tonight when sex in the city appears on regular tv so i can finally see what all the hubbub is about.

i do not believe that you must save yourself for marriage..i believe that if you are in a loving commited relationship...

i also don't believe much of the bible..i believed that us flawed humans wrote much of it and out our hatred into it

i also have no problem with pagans and think they are okay people...i swear a little too much and i am a bit too mean to people i like..and i am quite mean to my republican friends..

so my question is..am i going to hell? or will your ultra-conservative god forgive me for straying?

Only God can answer that question but since your Catholic I'd have to say that you’d have a harder time than other people. After all God only judges us for what we know. So because you know more you will be judged harder. However only God can say what you know.

Also I think you should grow in your faith. Many of the things you say aren't that bad then again some are.

I’ll be praying for you.

 

[Cerridwen]

Hey~

Creation does not equal child.
A child has the nature of the parent. Righteousness cannot beget unrighteousness. Just as righteousness cannot beget unrighteousness, if we are children of unrighteousness, we cannot become children of righteousness unless we are somehow made righteous....Again, not everyone is God's child.

Um....ok. So, if this is true, then why are all Christians referred to as "children of God", & "brothers & sisters in Christ"? Why do you say "heavenly FATHER" when you pray? Not to mention that whole, "we are all sinners" idea....if God created us IN HIS IMAGE, then He obviously didn't have any trouble with being "righteous" and begetting "unrighteousness", did He?
If God made us all, then He's our daddy, pure and simple. If your argument were true, it would throw about 90% of all Christian belief right out the window. Your logic just isn't especially sensical.

Aside from all that, who cares, anyway? If somebody wants to call him or herself a "child of God" then who are you to tell them they can't? That has absolutely no bearing whatsoever upon you, except to give you something to argue & play holier than thou about.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

 

[truthful1]

Hey~



Um....ok. So, if this is true, then why are all Christians referred to as "children of God", & "brothers & sisters in Christ"? Why do you say "heavenly FATHER" when you pray? Not to mention that whole, "we are all sinners" idea....if God created us IN HIS IMAGE, then He obviously didn't have any trouble with being "righteous" and begetting "unrighteousness", did He?
If God made us all, then He's our daddy, pure and simple. If your argument were true, it would throw about 90% of all Christian belief right out the window. Your logic just isn't especially sensical.

Aside from all that, who cares, anyway? If somebody wants to call him or herself a "child of God" then who are you to tell them they can't? That has absolutely no bearing whatsoever upon you, except to give you something to argue & play holier than thou about.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*

Man was created without sin, but also with free will. Adam chose to sin.

God made us all, but only those of us who have put our faith in Christ have been adopted into God's family and have the right to call Him "Daddy".

The reason we care if someone wants to call himself a "child of God" is because if he is not, then he is headed for Hell. Christians love others and are concerned about their eternal destiny. It is not about "arguing" or "playing holier than thou".

Hope that clears up any confusion.

 

[12volt_man]

Um....ok. So, if this is true, then why are all Christians referred to as "children of God", & "brothers & sisters in Christ"? Why do you say "heavenly FATHER" when you pray?

I listed several verses of scripture that explain this.

Not to mention that whole, "we are all sinners" idea....if God created us IN HIS IMAGE, then He obviously didn't have any trouble with being "righteous" and begetting "unrighteousness", did He?

If God made us all, then He's our daddy, pure and simple.

No. As I pointed out before, creation does not equal child.

If your argument were true, it would throw about 90% of all Christian belief right out the window. Your logic just isn't especially sensical.

Explain, please.

Aside from all that, who cares, anyway? If somebody wants to call him or herself a "child of God" then who are you to tell them they can't?

You can call yourself a duckbilled platypus for all I care but if you come to a Christian website and post in a Christian forum where it is assumed that God's word is the governing authority, and then say something that directly contradicts scripture, then it's perfectly reasonable to point out that scripture disagrees with you.

Whatever you may choose to call yourself, what does God say? I can tell people that I'm Warren Buffett's son all day long but I'm still not in the will.

That has absolutely no bearing whatsoever upon you, except to give you something to argue & play holier than thou about.

It's worth arguing about for a couple of reasons. The first is that to call yourself a son of God when God says you're not is to make God out to be a liar.

The second is that to call yourself a son of God when God says you're not ignores the fact that each of us, outside of Christ, are seperated from God by sin.

When have I ever tried to be "holier than thou"? All I did was tell you what the Bible says.

If I am a child of God, it's not because of anything I've done, but what Christ has done on my behalf.

 

[rebazar]

So, who created all those 'unrighteous" children ?? Please enlighten me.


Cheers

 

[12volt_man]

So, who created all those 'unrighteous" children ?? Please enlighten me.

Since you know that I'm going to say that God created them, is there a point behind your question?