Am I a Sociopath? If so, what can I do?

[Legionwrex]

Read Ecclesiastes 1. If you point the blame at God, you should then read Romans 9.

If you're so convinced that you're hell bound, there's a reason for that. That doesn't mean that you are already condemned, but it doesn't mean you aren't. It just means you don't know.

Like I said, if God did in fact create me with the intent for hell, than it is his fault. I'm not saying I believe that or that God does that to people, but if he does than logically it is his fault. Basically look up the omniscient morality license page from TV Tropes.com.

 

[98cwitr]

Like I said, if God did in fact create me with the intent for hell, than it is his fault. I'm not saying I believe that or that God does that to people, but if he does than logically it is his fault. Basically look up the omniscient morality license page from TV Tropes.com.

If that's the way you want to look at it, then sure; your fate is none the less defined, and thus, by God's perfection, is Just. Are you here to tell us you don't deserve Hell? I know I deserve it. Once you can understand that, you will see things much more clearly. Did you read Romans 9?

 

[Legionwrex]

If that's the way you want to look at it, then sure; your fate is none the less defined, and thus, by God's perfection, is Just. Are you here to tell us you don't deserve Hell? I know I deserve it. Once you can understand that, you will see things much more clearly. Did you read Romans 9?

I never said anything like that, I actually literally affirm the opposite if you go back a page or two and read my replies. But if things are the way that your saying, then yeah, the way I look at it if I have no choice in the matter as it is predetermined, then I can't be held responsible for my actions. So either I should get into heaven anyways or God compromises his character, and I'm not at all afraid to say that as it's the cold hard truth.

Again, I find everything you're saying to be disturbing. Basically its a role of the dice for me, either God have decided I go to heaven or hell based on nothing I have done and there's nothing I can do about it.

That is literally like a Horror Story the likes of which H.P. Lovecraft could write about.

 

[98cwitr]

While I can post plenty of scripture to prove predeterminism, I will try and not derail this discussion. There is no "roll of the dice," everything is static; your future and mine. Again, did you read Romans 9? You're right, there is nothing you can do about it. You cannot rebirth yourself. You should pray about it, seriously.

 

[Legionwrex]

While I can post plenty of scripture to prove predeterminism, I will try and not derail this discussion. There is no "roll of the dice," everything is static; your future and mine. Again, did you read Romans 9? You're right, there is nothing you can do about it. You cannot rebirth yourself. You should pray about it, seriously.

Yes, I have read Romans 9. There are different interpretations of it other than the one you have, but I won't get into that now.

I didn't mean I literal role of the dice as in chance as the deciding factor, but considering I have no influence on it one way of the other I fail to see that big of a difference between the to. Either I'm lucky or not.

For the last time, I have been praying on all of this for years now. I have prayed every prayer you can think of and I have literally cried to heaven, and like I said, God has yet to do anything.

So while I thank you for trying to help, discussion on this matter gets me rather heated up, and I don't want to go off on a tangent. So with that being said I think we should both drop it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Scriptrue "an evil and adulterous people seek a sign, but this is the ONLY SIGN that will be given to them - the sign of Jonah."

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yes, you're wrong. (if i read your post right).

Jesus Christ knew your name before the creation of the world, and while you were still a sinner(with everyone else) , HE DIED FOR YOU.
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[98cwitr]

Yes, I have read Romans 9. There are different interpretations of it other than the one you have, but I won't get into that now.

I didn't mean I literal role of the dice as in chance as the deciding factor, but considering I have no influence on it one way of the other I fail to see that big of a difference between the to. Either I'm lucky or not.

For the last time, I have been praying on all of this for years now. I have prayed every prayer you can think of and I have literally cried to heaven, and like I said, God has yet to do anything.

So while I thank you for trying to help, discussion on this matter gets me rather heated up, and I don't want to go off on a tangent. So with that being said I think we should both drop it.

It has nothing to do with luck.

Im interested in "your" interpretation.

Good, you need to be "heated" up.

 

[SeventhValley]

Hey bud remember....
The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but is patient with us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.-2 Peter 3:9

 

[98cwitr]

Context is everything

2 Peter 3:6-7
New International Version (NIV)
6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

 

[SeventhValley]

Means the same thing to me. He wants all to come to him but knows not all will. The good news is since our friend feels the pull of God he is most likely among those foreknew and or predestined(depending on your outlook) to believe.
So he can relax in assurance.

 

[SeventhValley]

At the same time don't wait for God do what you can to start living a godly life. God will do things on his own time but Jesus says actions separate the sheep from the goats.

 

[Legionwrex]

It has nothing to do with luck.

Im interested in "your" interpretation.

Good, you need to be "heated" up.

Again, since the factors that determine it are completely outside of my control, I fail to see the difference between it and luck.

I don't yet have a solid interpretation to it. All I'm saying is if you look up Romans 9 there are multiple views on it.

No, I don't want to get banned and I don't appreciate being goaded to.

 

[nick garai]

What's the difference?

A psychopath is someone who is
a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.

A sociopath is someone who is
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

 

[SeventhValley]

Again, since the factors that determine it are completely outside of my control, I fail to see the difference between it and luck.

I don't yet have a solid interpretation to it. All I'm saying is if you look up Romans 9 there are multiple views on it.

No, I don't want to get banned and I don't appreciate being goaded to.

Some people believe everything to be predetermined. They tell you not to work for salvation.

The same people would never tell their kids not to study for a test which is just as predetermined as salvation.

So go work for salvation if you do that there is nothing to loose.

Johnathan Edwards said God dose all but we have to do all also.

So go ahead and work hard for salvation!

 

[Legionwrex]

Some people believe everything to be predetermined. They tell you not to work for salvation.

The same people would never tell their kids not to study for a test which is just as predetermined as salvation.

So go work for salvation if you do that there is nothing to loose.

Johnathan Edwards said God dose all but we have to do all also.

So go ahead and work hard for salvation!

Paul explicitly says salvation is not of works but of Faith. That was the big stumbling block for the Jews and Pharisees, they wanted to be made righteous by keeping the law and good works instead of trusting in Christ.

If we do have to work for salvation, no one is going to be saved, period. Every second of every day you are not loving the Lord thy God with all your mind, soul, and heart and your neighbor as yourself you are sinning. Now I don't know about you, but I can't do that.

 

[SeventhValley]

Paul explicitly says salvation is not of works but of Faith. That was the big stumbling block for the Jews and Pharisees, they wanted to be made righteous by keeping the law and good works instead of trusting in Christ.

If we do have to work for salvation, no one is going to be saved, period. Every second of every day you are not loving the Lord thy God with all your mind, soul, and heart and your neighbor as yourself you are sinning. Now I don't know about you, but I can't do that.

Yup you know you need a savior Trust God ,realize you will never be perfect but God just wants you to try while relying on him since we cannot do it.

I think you are in a good place but just in a dry patch which every Christian has.

 

[spr]

Paul explicitly says salvation is not of works but of Faith. That was the big stumbling block for the Jews and Pharisees, they wanted to be made righteous by keeping the law and good works instead of trusting in Christ.

If we do have to work for salvation, no one is going to be saved, period. Every second of every day you are not loving the Lord thy God with all your mind, soul, and heart and your neighbor as yourself you are sinning. Now I don't know about you, but I can't do that.

I have the same interpretation. I stand by faith and am no more or less approved by my works. To some people the Gospel is something they do to not burn in hell, and to others it is a gift that not only saves them from hell, but empowers them to live a full life without grudging obligation or overmuch care or concern. I'm not saved by my righteousness, but by God's in Christ.

 

[Legionwrex]

While I can post plenty of scripture to prove predeterminism, I will try and not derail this discussion. There is no "roll of the dice," everything is static; your future and mine. Again, did you read Romans 9? You're right, there is nothing you can do about it. You cannot rebirth yourself. You should pray about it, seriously.

I'm sorry to bring up a dead topic but this is just chipping away at me and I feel like I left some things unsaid on this subject. Is anyone else reading this disturbed by this idea of salvation? Are you disturbed by this 98cwitr?

Because I find the very notion that a person who knows they are unsaved and wants to be saved, and prays to God to change him so that he can be saved, but then ends up going to Hell anyways because he wasn't elected and that God just showed no mercy what-so-ever to be beyond disturbing, it is terrifying. I mean seriously, if that's the Gospel, what kind of Good News is that? "You might be elected, you might not, just wait and see", that is basically what it is.

 

[Bluelion]

I'm sorry to bring up a dead topic but this is just chipping away at me and I feel like I left some things unsaid on this subject. Is anyone else reading this disturbed by this idea of salvation? Are you disturbed by this 98cwitr?

Because I find the very notion that a person who knows they are unsaved and wants to be saved, and prays to God to change him so that he can be saved, but then ends up going to Hell anyways because he wasn't elected and that God just showed no mercy what-so-ever to be beyond disturbing, it is terrifying. I mean seriously, if that's the Gospel, what kind of Good News is that? "You might be elected, you might not, just wait and see", that is basically what it is.

I have read a little bit of what 98 said. I think what he is saying is no one can come to Jesus unless The Father draws that person to Jesus. He speaks of predestination. It is biblical.

To answer your question If a person loves God in there heart they will not go to hell. This is the self check test you know who you love. That is one way to know you are saved if you Love God. If some one becomes aware of there sin and shameful state and surrenders to God completely in there heart, they shall be saved. It does take more than just believing Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins. What is the greatest commandment? Love God with all you are. You can not love God with out The Holy Spirit. You can not love anyone with out God because God is Love. If your wondering what Love is read 1cor 13.

98 said if your worry about hell there is something wrong. true. I worry about hell some times, what is wrong is I have a thorn in my side like Paul and for the same reason and have demonic attacks. They love to get me worried about hell to put a wall up between me and God. Just a couple a weeks ago I woke up and for a minute thought I was in hell. This through my faith. The way i deal with this is to remind my self God loves me and i know for sure in my heart I love him, and he will not forsake anyone who loves Him.

I hope I answer some questions.

Peace and Love
blu

 

[Legionwrex]

I have read a little bit of what 98 said. I think what he is saying is no one can come to Jesus unless The Father draws that person to Jesus. He speaks of predestination. It is biblical.

To answer your question If a person loves God in there heart they will not go to hell. This is the self check test you know who you love. That is one way to know you are saved if you Love God. If some one becomes aware of there sin and shameful state and surrenders to God completely in there heart, they shall be saved. It does take more than just believing Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins. What is the greatest commandment? Love God with all you are. You can not love God with out The Holy Spirit. You can not love anyone with out God because God is Love. If your wondering what Love is read 1cor 13.

98 said if your worry about hell there is something wrong. true. I worry about hell some times, what is wrong is I have a thorn in my side like Paul and for the same reason and have demonic attacks. They love to get me worried about hell to put a wall up between me and God. Just a couple a weeks ago I woke up and for a minute thought I was in hell. This through my faith. The way i deal with this is to remind my self God loves me and i know for sure in my heart I love him, and he will not forsake anyone who loves Him.

I hope I answer some questions.

Peace and Love
blu

I know what he has saying because I had a conversation with him. I have met a lot of Calvinists, who though I disagree with on predestination, they generally have a view that you if you are concerned about salvation and believe then you are probably predestined. They don't let anything hold you from coming to Jesus. What he has said is that even if you are worried, there is nothing you can do but wait until regeneration happens. I have found nowhere in the Bible where someone is kept from being saved because they weren't elected, rather they are encouraged to believe.

Secondly, before you can love God with all your heart, you have to experience his grace. Love isn't just something you can decide to have. I don't get how you can claim salvation is all by grace but then state that you must be willing to surrender your life to God. That just sounds like every other religion in the world that talks about you having to a work to be saved. How can you experience God's grace if you are constantly focusing on what you do? For me it is either one or the other, either I just believe and am saved, or it is nothing but works with a different name. There is no middle ground.

And really, is any Christian truly loving God with all there hearts, mind, and soul, AND their neighbor as them self every second of every day? Because if not, they are sinning. We like to have this view of ourselves that we only sin on rare occasions after we are Christians, but the fact of the matter is that we sin so much even after being saved we cannot comprehend it.

End of my emotional rant.