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Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

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So where do these quotes come from? I do wonder how anything pre flood exists.
 
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So where do these quotes come from? I do wonder how anything pre flood exists.
Noah carried the books on the Ark, and the Ethiopian Enoch has a fragment written by Noah, in it.
Abraham was in the house of Noah and Shem for 39 years, from age 10 until the tower of Babel fell, and in their house, he received instruction in righteousness, and the Book of Enoch.
In the DSS, in the the Genesis Apocryphon -which is a collection of manuscripts written by the patriarchs- Abraham states that he read to the Egyptians who returned Sarah from Pharaoah, from the Book of Enoch, when they asked him to teach them "wisdom, values, and truth". the date of that reading is only about 40 years after the fall of the tower of Babel, and so, about forty years from the time Abraham came from Noah and Shem's house.

Translation of 1Q Genesis Apocryphon (1QapGen)
 
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I thought every body knew this?
 
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What you won't find in the ot is any mention of the Talmud. This is what Jesus fought over with the Sanhedrin.
I reckon not.
 
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Exodus 32:30-33

"And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD: peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin---, AND IF NOT, BLOT ME, I PRAY THEE, OUT OF THY BOOK WHICH THOU HAST WRITTEN. AND THE LORD SAID UNTO MOSES, WHOSOEVER HATH SINNED AGAINST ME, HIM WILL I BLOT OUT OF MY BOOK."

Revelation 3:1-6

"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; AND I WILL NOT BLOT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

So much for "once saved, always saved". God WILL blot some people's names out of His book of life. Who has ears to hear what the Spirit says UNTO THE CHURCHES?

Revelation 13:6-9

"And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. AND ALL THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH SHALL WORSHIP HIM, WHOSE NAMES ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE OF THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. IF ANY MAN HAVE AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR."
 
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LLoJ:

Yes, I believe that it is.
 
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Revelation tells you where you are in the battle.
 
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hmmmmm......Revelation is the culmination of God's Word.....do you read Revelation? We see how God brings all things together in Revelation and how Jesus is now Conqueror and triumphant. All will see this with their own eyes.

'Tis good to be informed, my brother.
 
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Revelation tells you where you are in the battle.

Whoa, that is quite profound, my sister.
 
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Than you. AMEN!
 
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I think there is plenty in the book of Revelation besides the OT prophecy. For instance the message to the 7 churches and the Book of Life. The book of Life has nothing to do with the OT.
The idea of a book in which God keeps a record of the names of the godly is ancient.

Psalm 69:28, "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living". Moses requested God remove him from this book.

Looking at the total picture of Jewish literature from the time of the 2nd Temple and earlier, the concept starts out as "books of the living", in which all the living are recorded. As these die due to the judgment for sin, they are blotted out. But God remembers the righteous and their names are not blotted out. At the consummation, all the names of the lost have finally been removed and the book is then referred to as the Lamb's Book of Life, because only the names of those whose sin has been removed by the blood of the Lamb remain.
 
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I ask what is the manna , and when do we get a new name?

Revelation 2:17


He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].
 
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The idea of a book in which God keeps a record of the names of the godly is ancient.

Psalm 69:28, "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living". Moses requested God remove him from this book.

Where did Moses request that?
 
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I ask what is the manna

John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."

This is one of those many, many things that we can see in more detail via the OT, yet we never know what to do with the info until we meet Jesus in the New.

and when do we get a new name?

IMHO this is both instantaneous, and progressive. Just like every other aspect of Salvation. I'm curious about the new stone spoken of in this passage ...
 
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Where did Moses request that?

"And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. (Exodus 32:31) And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book."

Interesting choice for a username, btw
 
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