This video from Lifesite is - I think - worth hearing and taking to prayer:
A message for some of our clergy.
Comments?
A message for some of our clergy.
Comments?
Test everything and retain what is good. How do we test this?This video from Lifesite is - I think - worth hearing and taking to prayer:
A message for some of our clergy.
Comments?
What did you hear that sounds incredible to you?Test everything and retain what is good. How do we test this?
I think if it is really from the Lord it would be repeated in multiple instances and not just one instance. Just for starters. Is there credible evidence of multiple holy people hearing the same thing?
Nothing. It’s that whether it sounds credible or incredible it needs testing.What did you hear that sounds incredible to you?
I'm unclear about what the "it" is that needs testing, that has not already been heard as coming. Can you clarify what "needs testing"?Nothing. It’s that whether it sounds credible or incredible it needs testing.
One test I suggested is that it be corroborated by other credible prophetic voices. Time will tell about that.
I’m open to other ways of testing it.
I’m inclined at first blush to accept it but it does need to survive a proper testing.
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2. A Pope would could chase after the world...
and I dare not judge whom or how... because I am not to judge, but we stay the teachings as any Pope cannot change them even if they change our 'practices' and the 'forms' of Rites.
Pope Francis repeats he cannot change teachings.
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CCC 1124 The Church’s faith precedes the faith of the believer who is invited to adhere to it. When the Church celebrates the sacraments, she confesses the faith received from the apostles - whence the ancient saying: lex orandi, lex credendi (or: legem credendi lex statuat supplicandi according to Prosper of Aquitaine <SC 59cent>).<Ep. 8> The law of prayer is the law of faith: the Church believes as she prays. Liturgy is a constitutive element of the holy and living Tradition.<Cf. DV 8>
The ‘it’ is the subject of this post. Is it a valid message from God? How do you know?I'm unclear about what the "it" is that needs testing, that has not already been heard as coming. Can you clarify what "needs testing"?
Well nobody is right then.To change the liturgy (prayer, worship) is to change the faith (teachings): lex orandi, lex credenti.
Those are good and important questions.The ‘it’ is the subject of this post. Is it a valid message from God? How do you know?
Well nobody is right then.
St James liturgy is like 4 hours long.
The celebration remains the same. In Tradition the Apostles had an altar close to a wall in the catacombs, but I know not if in historical writings this was necessity to face East.
So I cannot state for fact if Churches now face East...etc
So practices do change such as language because every Chair set up in different lands et al, but the sacraments do not.
We do a shorter version of one Apostles Mass, not suggesting the others had shortened Masses in comparison....
So what are you stating is a changed 'teaching'?
Ok,This video from Lifesite is - I think - worth hearing and taking to prayer:
A message for some of our clergy.
Comments?
Thanks for your opinions. Truth or absence of truth in any message claiming to be prophetic - in these confused and dangerous times - does call for more than immediate judgment. I recommend that you use your mind to try to discover exactly what you do need to discern what is happening in the world and in the Church - because the times they are a'changing.Ok,
Really ?
Seriously here -
If I, St. Charlie the Cosmic, came here and said I had heard a message from God claiming the Benedict was a usurper and his removal was good and just, you would, quite rightly, toss a net over me and take me somewhere where I could get the obvious help I need.
Just 'cause you don't like the Jesuit in Charge in no reason to believe this message is any less ridiculous.
(Again, I hate to bring Critical Thinking to a religious site)
The thing is you can't just fall for this because they have a really nice website, a Youtube channel and dress the whole thing up in the trapping of a Catholic Mass.