Allah same as our God?

[Lynn73]

There is not, “their God” or “this person’s God” etc... there is “The God; the one and only God.” The only way to God and the only way to KNOW God, is through Jesus Christ who is our mediator. Therefore, unless you know personally Jesus Christ, you cannot know God. So yes, though it sounds a bit bad I’ll say it seeing as how this is a Christian forum: The Jewish and Islamic god are not the true God, if they were, then they would personally know Jesus Christ. Take Jesus Christ out of the picture, and you cut yourself off from God and go to hell with everyone else who doesn’t accept Him. It is impossible to go to heaven without Jesus Christ, likewise, it is impossible to know God the Father personally without Jesus Christ. A man cannot walk across a 2 mile gap between two cliff faces, without building and accepting the bridge which is known as Jesus Christ... take away the bridge, and you fall to your death along with everyone else who doesn’t accept it.

I totally agree. If they were all the same God, then the Muslims and Jews would accept His revelation of Christ as the one and only way to the Father. They may think it's the same God but without Christ they are just as lost as any other unbeliever.

 

[Lynn73]

It comes down to this, you do not have the authority to decide or condemn someone to Hell.
It strikes me as very arrogant and unchristian.

No it isn't arrogant or unChristian to say what the Bible says. I would not presume to point at any particular person and say they are going to hell because I have no idea what decisions they'll make before they die. BUT I and other Christians can indeed say that if if someone doesn't have Christ they are lost. And the lost go to hell. Jesus isn't a liar and he said that NO ONE comes to the Father but by Him. And John 3:36 says that the wrath of God abides on those who don't believe.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

As a former Muslim may I speak?

 

[Annabel Lee]

As a former Muslim may I speak?

Yes, please.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Yes, please.

Thank You....

It will be of great intrest to you to understand a few things that remain hidden from Western Christians about Muslims....

First of all understand that Islam has gone through many changes whether they would admit it or not.... most of which happend when Muhammad died, and his son in law took over.

99% of Muslims are illiterate... taught thier faith by rote... as a drone learns in a hive. They are taught to hate the Jew and the Western Christian.

The primary mission of Muhammad was to correct the Jews...

Of what... you might ask....

Honestly, that Christ was the Messiah.

You probably have not read the Koran.... it is a false teaching...

However, like many things that the "evil one" has produced it has much of the truth embedded within it.

The Koran is a simple read... I would encourage you to pick one up and read it.... but do not believe what it says.... just read it.

Mostly, it is a repeat of all the OT stories that you alread know too well.

It is not nearly as complex as the scriptures and disagrees on some finer points along the way.... The use of the Trinity to explain the nature of God for one....

The Muslims hate Western Christians, RCC included, because they believe that they have *******ised Christianity and have changed the scripture to suit thier own purposes.

Most well educated Muslims can live side by side with Orthodox Christians. They are not strangers....

When an Arab muslims meets a Christian he has two questions.... Are you a Roman Catholic?, Are you a Protestant? Either one spells danger to the Muslim, for he feels threatened that you will try to convert him. If the answer is neither, then he will likely ask.... "then, you are a Christian?"

Shall I continue?

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me....

 

[Annabel Lee]

Shall I continue?

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me....

You've caught my attention.

 

[e=mv^2]

Warning: This post contains the name of God in english. If you print it out treat it with the proper respect.

My God has a name. My God is the great I AM. My God has a Son. My God is perfect and requires perfection. My God gave mankind a way to overcome imperfection and fellowship with him directly through the blood of the lamb. My God raised his Son from the grave. My God affirms the promises made by Christ through the great comforter.

My God did these things for me.

Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

NO ONE WILL GET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH THE SON.
The entire basis of Christianity is that Jesus was perfect.
If Jesus lied about being the only way then he was imperfect.
If the above statement is false then Christianity is false.

If Jesus is not the one and only way then he is not the way at all.
I will say it again.
If Jesus is not the one and only way then he is not the way at all.

Does the god of Islam have a name? (Allah means "The god")
Does the god of Islam have a Son? (Allah begets not)
Does the god of Islam require blood to cover sin? (Islam salvation?)
Did the god of Islam raise his son from the grave? (Allah begets not)
Did the god of islam send a comforter? (Allah has no partners)

Does Islam honor the Father?
"For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

Now can someone tell me what other way a man has to get to the father?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Warning: This post contains the name of God in english. If you print it out treat it with the proper respect.

My God has a name. My God is the great I AM. My God has a Son. My God is perfect and requires perfection. My God gave mankind a way to overcome imperfection and fellowship with him directly through the blood of the lamb. My God raised his Son from the grave. My God affirms the promises made by Christ through the great comforter.

My God did these things for me.

Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

NO ONE WILL GET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH THE SON.
The entire basis of Christianity is that Jesus was perfect.
If Jesus lied about being the only way then he was imperfect.
If the above statement is false then Christianity is false.

If Jesus is not the one and only way then he is not the way at all.
I will say it again.
If Jesus is not the one and only way then he is not the way at all.

Does the god of Islam have a name? (Allah means "The god")
Does the god of Islam have a Son? (Allah begets not)
Does the god of Islam require blood to cover sin? (Islam salvation?)
Did the god of Islam raise his son from the grave? (Allah begets not)
Did the god of islam send a comforter? (Allah has no partners)

Does Islam honor the Father?
"For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

Now can someone tell me what other way a man has to get to the father?

I am in agreement with you about everything that you have stated here...

There is no other way but Christ.

However I will add that Christ Jesus saves whom he will... not all that come to him will be through "The Church". This is the teaching of Holy Orthodoxy.

We as Orthodox Christians do not claim to know all the thoughts of Christ's mind.

Muslims have many things wrong... But the grains of Truth are there.

"I" would suggest that the angel who appeard to Mohammed was actually a deamon. And as you are aware they take the truth and twist it... giving the impression that what you alread knew only needs a little tweaking to be corrected... when actually they are leading you away from the Truth and using your Pride to do so.

Muslims will not call Christ the "son of God" because to do so infers that the Father had sexual relations with Mary....

They understand there is only one God... but the do not understand the true nature of God... the Trinity is false from thier viewpoint. They can believe that Christ and the Holy Spirit were sent by the Father but are not part of the God head.

It is the contention of the Muslim faith that they are the true followers of the faith of Abraham, and that the Jews have messed everything up that God ever gave them because they have not followed the Law.

Muslims beleive that Christ was not on the cross, that it was someone else taking his place and allowing him to escape. They teach that Christ assended to heaven without death... this of course, defeats the entire purpose of Christian Faith... You can see why I believe that Satan was behind all this... twisting what truths he revealed to Mohammed.

By the way, the word Allah does not mean "the God", just "God", it is a word used by the Orthodox as well.

Is the God of the Muslims the same as our God... NO... there can be no twisting of the truth and maintaining of the truth at the same time...

As "Maximus" stated in another thread... concerning the Jews.... the same can be said of the Muslim faith... either you follow through with Gods plan through Christ or you do not.

Official Judaism became apostate Judaism when it rejected Christ.

The remnant of real Jews - the nucleus of the Israel of God, the Church - were those Jews who accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as the Messiah.

How can one reject God and worship Him at the same time?

They desire to follow the God of Abraham truly... but in order to do so they must follow the Son as this is the path that God has choosen.

Let us not forget that Christ will judge the hearts of men... there are many good Jews and many good Muslims.... I expect we will some of both enjoying the light of Christ after our physical death.

Christ is Risen!

Forgive me.....

 

[Lynn73]

If they believe on Christ before they die, yes. Otherwise, Jesus is lying and the great commission doesn't mean much.

 

[88Devin07]

You guys forget that God STILL has a covenant with the Jews...

He had a covenant with them when they rejected him multiple times in the Old Testament if you remember. This time is no different. Not only does he have a covenant with us, but he still has a covenant with the Jews. Just because he made a New Covenant doesn't mean the Old Covenant isn't still intact...

However, there wasn't such a covenant with Ishmael. God just promised to multiply Ishmael's decendants, he never made a solid covenant with them.

I agree with Orthodoxy.

Allah is in no way the same as our God.

If you say that, then you have never read the Qur'An.

I believe it was Satan himself who tricked Muhammad into thinking he was Gabriel.

You also forget that Muhammad himself was possessed by demons and wrote a book on it.

Not only this, but he and his followers killed thousands near the end of his "ministry"...

 

[discernomatic]

I have seen it in black and white that one Roman Catholic movement admits to the belief that Allah and the Christian God are the same. But I would not see it that way. Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6. According to that definition, anyone that follows him and is thus called a Christian will come to the Father, who is defined elsewhere in the Bible as the creator of all things. Anyone that does not admit that Jesus is the only way to the Father will not reach the Father. Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, but do not believe that he is the Son of God, the only one who was worthy enough to be sacrificed for the sins of men, as Christians do. He told us to believe in him and that he is the only way to the Father and thus to heaven.

discernomatic

 

[Zenaide]

Sorry, JUST now read all these threads. Been busy, work and all.

 

[e=mv^2]

RIF - I think you may have misunderstood that post.

However I will add that Christ Jesus saves whom he will... not all that come to him will be through "The Church". This is the teaching of Holy Orthodoxy.

Orthodoxy is saying here that not everyone that comes to Christ will do so through the specific channel of the Orthodox Church (or the Roman Catholic etc.) Thats ok. If a bible washed up on a desert island and was found by someone that was able to read it and they believed. They would be saved. They do not need any person to be involved in order to be saved. They do not need the (RC EO OO Baptist or any other) "Church" to save them - that is Jesus's job.

"I" would suggest that the angel who appeard to Mohammed was actually a deamon.

It was the Angel of light - Lucfer the light bringer.

There can really be no arguing that there are many many (MANY) muslims that are VERY ethical. There are many that have moral standards that are far beyond those we have in the west. Unfortunately peity and works just do not get you to heaven. An imperfect being can not work itself perfect.

There was only 1 lie that the Angel of Light had to make anyone believe. He was able to do that. That one lie will doom billions.

You guys forget that God STILL has a covenant with the Jews...

That covenant is the same one he has with all of humanity. Accept the gift of salvation. It is free and available to anyone that wants it. I believe that the new covenant did replace the old. Jews will not get into heaven without the Son. Period.

 

[Sephania]

This scripture definatly takes on new meaning when seen in the light of Islam
But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9

Muhammud himself even thought these were demonic visitations.

• • Naturally he was scared, and intimated to his wife, Khadija, the fear that he might even be possessed by an evil spirit . . . Stricken with panic, Muhammad arose and asked himself, "What did I see? Did possession of the devil which I feared all along come to pass?" . . . When he calmed down, he cast toward his wife the glance of a man in need of rescue and said, "O Khadijah, what has happened to me?" He told her of his experience and intimated to her his fear that his mind had finally betrayed him, and that he was becoming a seer or a man possessed. (Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 73-75).

  The Qur'an itself states that the Quraysh specifically charged that Muhammad was indeed majnun - "a man possessed" (Surah 44.14 - in Surah 37.36 it is sha'irimmajnun, "a poet possessed") and that a jinn had seized him (Surah 34.8). On many occasions Muhammad is consoled in the Qur'an against such charges, for example: maa anta bini 'mati rabbika bimajnun - "Thou art not, by the grace of thy Lord, mad or possessed" (Surah 68.2, cf. also Surah 81.22), and is cleared of the charge that he is seized with a jinn (Surah 7.184). These constant declarations in the Qur'an that the revelations were not from diabolical sources yield the impression that Muhammad's fears in this respect were not confined just to the first two visions he had.

 

[e=mv^2]

Orthodoxy would you kindly clairy what you meant in this:

However I will add that Christ Jesus saves whom he will... not all that come to him will be through "The Church". This is the teaching of Holy Orthodoxy.

 

[jlujan69]

Approaching God and asking His acceptance of us on any terms but His is sheer idolatry on our part. If we are guilty of this, it is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that we worship. It's God's way or the wrong way. Many people with Christian backgrounds are guilty of this type of idolatry and not just the outright non-Christians.

 

[88Devin07]

The New Covenant in NO WAY replaced the Old.

God CAN NEVER break his covenant with Israel... Do you know why? If he broke his covenant, he would cease to be God.

Jesus didn't come to abolish the Old Covenant did he? He even said he didn't. He came to fulfill it. And he came to make a New one. This doesn't mean the Old one still doesn't exist.

To say the Old Covenant no longer exists is racism to our Jewish Brothers!!!

 

[PaladinValer]

Neither the Jewish god nor the god of Islam is the same as the Christian God. What might be surprising is that the god that the jews worship is not hte god of Abraham. If it were so then they would of accepted Jesus.

This is Marcionism.

But even if we did not hve Jesus' words to back up the statement that Christians, Jews, and Muslims do not worship the same God it is still obvious that they are not. The God of the Bible, the god of the jews, and the god of the Muslims can't be the same God because the views about htem contradict each other.

Marcionism and illogical. I see the sky is blue; my colorblind friend sees the sky as grey. Is it not still the same sky?

In addition, if the God of the OT isn't the same as the NT, then Christianity is false, since Jesus was worshiping a false god.

 

[PaladinValer]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ps139 again.

Great posts!
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[greeker57married]

I thank when you look at the God of the Bible and the God of the Koran you see two different Gods. Mohammed was influenced by Judism and Christianity to worship one God. but he did not know the Genuine God, The God of the Bible.