Allah is not the God of Abraham

[CherubRam]

האל [Ha] EL / The God. Reading from right to left.

 

[CherubRam]

The Aramaic time period was from about 800 BC to 600 AD.

 

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Frankly, I believe Mohammedwas a text book schizophrenic, there was no angel, false or otherwise. That said, his followers still worship the same God as Christians and Jews, they just believe a bunch of "non canon" stuff about the deity. Much like Mormons.

Joseph smith was another person who received a visits and ""revelations"" from a fallen angle who he called Moroni.. Mormonism is the white mans islam..

 

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they remained pagan idol worshipers until Mohammad came with the message of Islam to believe in one god ...thus they accepted the Torah the bible and the Quran...when prophet Mohammad came he came with the idea of worshipping one god and then they converted to islam

If they accepted the Torah and Bible that where in their hands then they would never have come up later with the claim that the torah and the Bible where corrupted.. They had to come up with that doctrine because the Bible and the Torah do not agree with the quran on many things.. So the muslims came up with the theory that the Torah and the Bible had been corrupted and even say the Corrupter was the Apostle Paul...

Now if the Bible was corrupted by Paul who was one of the original authors of the Bible and lived in the times of Jesus then the muslims would not have accepted the Torah or the Bible 500 years later, that where in their hands during the time of muhammad...

 

[ViaCrucis]

האל [Ha] EL / The God. Reading from right to left.

الله [Al]lah / The God. Reading from right to left.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Aramaic time period was from about 800 BC to 600 AD.

The Arabic time period was from 900 BC until now.

And also there are still Aramaic speakers:

Syriac language - Wikipedia

Assyrian Neo-Aramaic - Wikipedia

Chaldean Neo-Aramaic - Wikipedia

Turoyo language - Wikipedia

Judeo-Aramaic languages - Wikipedia

So the 600 AD date is, well, wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CherubRam]

The Arabic time period was from 900 BC until now.

And also there are still Aramaic speakers:

Syriac language - Wikipedia

Assyrian Neo-Aramaic - Wikipedia

Chaldean Neo-Aramaic - Wikipedia

Turoyo language - Wikipedia

Judeo-Aramaic languages - Wikipedia

So the 600 AD date is, well, wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

In the late 7th century AD the language diverged from Aramaic to Arabic. This event came from the writing of the Quran.

 

[Robban]

What`s in a name?

"Our father is Abraham."
"No, for if he were,
you would follow his example."

Should it not be so that,
what is good for the goose is good for the gander?

 

[ViaCrucis]

In the late 7th century AD the language diverged from Aramaic to Arabic. This event came from the writing of the Quran.

No.

Arabic - Wikipedia

Old Arabic - Wikipedia

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CherubRam]

No.

Arabic - Wikipedia

Old Arabic - Wikipedia

-CryptoLutheran

Arabic was not common place in Arabia until about 700 AD.

History

The alphabet is descended from the Syriac alphabet, which was itself descended from the Aramaic alphabet. In turn, a cursive form of Nabataean developed into the Arabic alphabet from the 4th century AD, which is why Nabataean's letterforms are intermediate between the more northerly Semitic scripts (such as the Aramaic-derived Hebrew) and those of Arabic.

The Arabic alphabet can be traced back to the Nabataean alphabet used to write the Nabataean dialect of Aramaic. The first known text in the Arabic alphabet is a late 4th-century AD inscription from Jabal Ramm (50 km east of ‘Aqabah) in Jordan, but the first dated one is a trilingual inscription at Zebed in Syria from 512 AD.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Arabic was not common place in Arabia until about 700 AD.

History

The alphabet is descended from the Syriac alphabet, which was itself descended from the Aramaic alphabet. In turn, a cursive form of Nabataean developed into the Arabic alphabet from the 4th century AD, which is why Nabataean's letterforms are intermediate between the more northerly Semitic scripts (such as the Aramaic-derived Hebrew) and those of Arabic.

The Arabic alphabet can be traced back to the Nabataean alphabet used to write the Nabataean dialect of Aramaic. The first known text in the Arabic alphabet is a late 4th-century AD inscription from Jabal Ramm (50 km east of ‘Aqabah) in Jordan, but the first dated one is a trilingual inscription at Zebed in Syria from 512 AD.

If we were talking about writing systems you'd have a point. But we're not talking about writing systems, we're talking about language.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[habibii zahra]

Pre-Islamic Arabian deities

Abgal
Aglibol
Allah
Al-Lat
Al-Qaum
Amm
Anbay
Astarte
Atargatis (Syrian)
Atarsamain
Athtar
Baalshamin
Bēl
Bes (Egypt)
Dhul Khalasa
Dushara
Ēl, Ilāh (NW Semitic)
Haukim
Hubal
Malakbel
Manaf
Manāt
Nabū, Nebo
Nasr
Nergal
Nuha
Orotalt
Ruda
Shams, Samas
Sīn
Suwa'
Theandrios
Al-‘Uzzá
Wadd
Ya'uq
Yaghūth
Yarhibol
Yatha
demon

you can remove the name "ALLAH" because he was not a pagan idol he is the god of Muslims

 

[habibii zahra]

If they accepted the Torah and Bible that where in their hands then they would never have come up later with the claim that the torah and the Bible where corrupted.. They had to come up with that doctrine because the Bible and the Torah do not agree with the quran on many things.. So the muslims came up with the theory that the Torah and the Bible had been corrupted and even say the Corrupter was the Apostle Paul...

Now if the Bible was corrupted by Paul who was one of the original authors of the Bible and lived in the times of Jesus then the muslims would not have accepted the Torah or the Bible 500 years later, that where in their hands during the time of muhammad...

the idea of corruption came from the idea of trinity and making jesus a god ..this is what was corrupted
are you taking paul as a trusted source..in the bible jesus says to paul you are the rock upon which I will built my church and in another place in the bible jesus says to paul..you will deny me thrice after the shout of the hen (in the bible of Markus)..so which one is right and which one is wrong?/?

 

[Robban]

the idea of corruption came from the idea of trinity and making jesus a god ..this is what was corrupted
are you taking paul as a trusted source..in the bible jesus says to paul you are the rock upon which I will built my church and in another place in the bible jesus says to paul..you will deny me thrice after the shout of the hen (in the bible of Markus)..so which one is right and which one is wrong?/?

Thought it was Peter.

 

[cloudyday2]

Thought it was Peter.

You are right. Also I think it was a rooster. As far as I know, hens don't do the "cockadoodle doo" (of course I've never had chickens)

 

[ViaCrucis]

the idea of corruption came from the idea of trinity and making jesus a god ..this is what was corrupted
are you taking paul as a trusted source..in the bible jesus says to paul you are the rock upon which I will built my church and in another place in the bible jesus says to paul..you will deny me thrice after the shout of the hen (in the bible of Markus)..so which one is right and which one is wrong?/?

You're confusing Paul and Peter. Peter was told "you are the rock" and "you will deny Me three times", and there's nothing contradictory in these statements.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CherubRam]

Pre-Islamic Arabian deities

Abgal
Aglibol
Allah
Al-Lat
Al-Qaum
Amm
Anbay
Astarte
Atargatis (Syrian)
Atarsamain
Athtar
Baalshamin
Bēl
Bes (Egypt)
Dhul Khalasa
Dushara
Ēl, Ilāh (NW Semitic)
Haukim
Hubal
Malakbel
Manaf
Manāt
Nabū, Nebo
Nasr
Nergal
Nuha
Orotalt
Ruda
Shams, Samas
Sīn
Suwa'
Theandrios
Al-‘Uzzá
Wadd
Ya'uq
Yaghūth
Yarhibol
Yatha
demon

The above list is the names of the Pagan gods of the Arabs before Islam.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The above list is the names of the Pagan gods of the Arabs before Islam.

I don't suppose you'd be willing to actually provide us with some sort of source would you? I wouldn't at all be surprised if pre-Muslim Pagan Arabs worshiped a god cognate with El, as we see among the Akkadians, Arameans, and other Semitic cultures; but it wouldn't have been called "Allah" since al- is the definite article; but an Arabicized form of El would be in keeping with what we know about ancient near eastern polytheism.

But I'm sure you knew all this already, after all you are the expert. Which is why I'm sure you'll be more than capable of showing all your historic and scholarly sources on this subject.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CherubRam]

I don't suppose you'd be willing to actually provide us with some sort of source would you? I wouldn't at all be surprised if pre-Muslim Pagan Arabs worshiped a god cognate with El, as we see among the Akkadians, Arameans, and other Semitic cultures; but it wouldn't have been called "Allah" since al- is the definite article; but an Arabicized form of El would be in keeping with what we know about ancient near eastern polytheism.

But I'm sure you knew all this already, after all you are the expert. Which is why I'm sure you'll be more than capable of showing all your historic and scholarly sources on this subject.

-CryptoLutheran

Post #1. contains all kinds of references. Just copy and paste into your browser.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Post #1. contains all kinds of references. Just copy and paste into your browser.

I noticed a somewhat lack of citations for some of your particular claims for which I am asking for sources now.

Also, I want to thank you for prompting me to google things from your OP, as now I know that it is a hack copy-and-paste job.

Allah was one of the many names in the pantheon of gods in Arabia from about 700 BC. To show that Allah, or IL, and Allat, had been around for a long time already, - Google Search

-CryptoLutheran