Allah is not the God of Abraham

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the idea of corruption came from the idea of trinity and making jesus a god ..this is what was corrupted
are you taking paul as a trusted source..in the bible jesus says to paul you are the rock upon which I will built my church and in another place in the bible jesus says to paul..you will deny me thrice after the shout of the hen (in the bible of Markus)..so which one is right and which one is wrong?/?

Jesus never said to Paul ""you are the rock upon which I will built my church""

Jesus said to Peter ::
Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Jesus never said to Paul "".you will deny me thrice after the shout of the hen""

Jesus said to Peter..
Mark 14:29 "But Peter said unto him, Although all shall be offended, yet will not I. {30} And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice."

Both these scriptures are right.. Peter was a man who was capable of failing Jesus and He did on the night Jesus was captured to be tried and executed the very next day.. Jesus knew the future and He knew Peter would be a good leader to establish the Bible scriptures.. God is a forgiving God and Peter was forgiven for his weakness in denying Jesus 3 times..

But again if the scriptures where corrupted at the very beginning by Paul or Peter then then muhammad would not have declared that the Book (the bible) in their hands was good.. He would never have told the people to judge his words by the Book..

surah 5: 47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by the light of what allah hath revealed, they are no better then those that rebel..

So in the quran muhammad told the people of the Gospel to judge by it and if they did not judge by it then they where in rebellion against allah... Now Christians do judge islam by the Gospels and from the declarations of the Gospel we find that islam is a false religion.. It denies Jesus is the Son of God.. It denies that Jesus was executed and died.. It denies Jesus was raised from the dead.. It denies the deity of Jesus..

Again in the quran muhammad says:

surah 5: 68 Say: O people of the Book you have no ground to stand upon unless you stand fast by the Torah, the Gospel and all the Revelation that has come to you from your Lord..

Why would muhammad tell Jews and Christians that they must stand upon the scriptures of the Torah and the Gospel if he believed the Torah and Gospel where corrupt?. Telling people to stand upon a false, corrupt Book makes no sense.. But telling them to stand upon a Book muhammad thought was correct and pure... That makes sense..

Why would the quran claim that allah told muhammad to go and check with the people of the Book to see if the revelations he was receiving where correct if the Torah and the Gospel where already corrupt?. We read::

surah 10: 94 But if you ( O muhammad ) are in doubt as to what we have revealed to you, Ask those who read the Book before you (The people of the Book being Jews and Christians); Certainly the Truth has come to you from your Lord. Therefore you should not be of the disputers..

By affirming that the Torah and Gospel are the Word of God the quran reveals that it is not the Word of God because it teaches doctrines in rebellion against the Torah and Gospels..

 

[habibii zahra]

Jesus never said to Paul ""you are the rock upon which I will built my church""

Jesus said to Peter ::
Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Jesus never said to Paul "".you will deny me thrice after the shout of the hen""

Jesus said to Peter..
Mark 14:29 "But Peter said unto him, Although all shall be offended, yet will not I. {30} And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice."

Both these scriptures are right.. Peter was a man who was capable of failing Jesus and He did on the night Jesus was captured to be tried and executed the very next day.. Jesus knew the future and He knew Peter would be a good leader to establish the Bible scriptures.. God is a forgiving God and Peter was forgiven for his weakness in denying Jesus 3 times..

But again if the scriptures where corrupted at the very beginning by Paul or Peter then then muhammad would not have declared that the Book (the bible) in their hands was good.. He would never have told the people to judge his words by the Book..

surah 5: 47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by the light of what allah hath revealed, they are no better then those that rebel..

So in the quran muhammad told the people of the Gospel to judge by it and if they did not judge by it then they where in rebellion against allah... Now Christians do judge islam by the Gospels and from the declarations of the Gospel we find that islam is a false religion.. It denies Jesus is the Son of God.. It denies that Jesus was executed and died.. It denies Jesus was raised from the dead.. It denies the deity of Jesus..

Again in the quran muhammad says:

surah 5: 68 Say: O people of the Book you have no ground to stand upon unless you stand fast by the Torah, the Gospel and all the Revelation that has come to you from your Lord..

Why would muhammad tell Jews and Christians that they must stand upon the scriptures of the Torah and the Gospel if he believed the Torah and Gospel where corrupt?. Telling people to stand upon a false, corrupt Book makes no sense.. But telling them to stand upon a Book muhammad thought was correct and pure... That makes sense..

Why would the quran claim that allah told muhammad to go and check with the people of the Book to see if the revelations he was receiving where correct if the Torah and the Gospel where already corrupt?. We read::

surah 10: 94 But if you ( O muhammad ) are in doubt as to what we have revealed to you, Ask those who read the Book before you (The people of the Book being Jews and Christians); Certainly the Truth has come to you from your Lord. Therefore you should not be of the disputers..

By affirming that the Torah and Gospel are the Word of God the quran reveals that it is not the Word of God because it teaches doctrines in rebellion against the Torah and Gospels..

Prophet Mohammad called us to believe in the bible but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t corrupted..it is a divine book and not all of it is corrupted

All these verses in the Quran doesn’t mean that Mohammad is a true prophet? And that he came with the truth of god being the god of all people your god and ours??

Again the bible and the torah are not fully corrupted some of the truths weer corrupted but they are true divine books revealed by god ALLAH

By affirming that the Torah and Gospel are the Word of God the quran reveals that it is not the Word of God because it teaches doctrines in rebellion against the Torah and Gospels

This is not true the torah and the bible are the word of ALLAH but some doctrines were corrupted thus the Quran came as a revelation from ALLAH to correct this corruption

 

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This is not true the torah and the bible are the word of ALLAH but some doctrines were corrupted thus the Quran came as a revelation from ALLAH to correct this corruption

The Torah is the first five books of the Bible, in both the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible.

Also, the Bible isn't a book. The Bible is a collection of books.

-CryptoLutheran

 

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Prophet Mohammad called us to believe in the bible but that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t corrupted..it is a divine book and not all of it is corrupted

All these verses in the Quran doesn’t mean that Mohammad is a true prophet? And that he came with the truth of god being the god of all people your god and ours??

Again the bible and the torah are not fully corrupted some of the truths weer corrupted but they are true divine books revealed by god ALLAH



This is not true the torah and the bible are the word of ALLAH but some doctrines were corrupted thus the Quran came as a revelation from ALLAH to correct this corruption

Your ignoring the quran scriptures i gave to you.. Which is not a surprise because aknowedging the clear conclusion of the quran verses i gave to you would smash the delusion that the quran is from God.. The quran did not come from God and muhammad is a false prophet..

muhammad would never have told them to judge his message by the Bible if he believed at the time that the Bible was corrupt.. It was muhammads lack of knowledge about what the Bible actually taught that caused him to make this error.. An error he would never have made if he was being guidfed by an Angel of the God..

 

[Arthra]

I think perversion of the verses in the Bible could mean misinterpretations by ecclesiastic institutions of the scriptures...



From Surih 3:77-79

"There are some among them who distort the Book by the way they speak to make you think that what they say is from the Book, whereas it is not. They say it is from God whereas it is not. Thus they tell a lie about God and they know it. (78) No one to whom God has given the Scriptures and on whom He has bestowed wisdom and prophethood would say to men, "Worship me instead of God." [He would say rather], "Be devoted servants of God, for you have taught and studied the Scriptures." (79) Nor would he enjoin you to take the angels and the prophets as your lords; how could he command you to be disbelievers after you have submitted to God."

Tanzil - Quran Navigator | القرآن الكريم

 

[habibii zahra]

The Torah is the first five books of the Bible, in both the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible.

Also, the Bible isn't a book. The Bible is a collection of books.

-CryptoLutheran

that is why the Quran is a more accurate and true divine book than all the others

 

[habibii zahra]

Your ignoring the quran scriptures i gave to you.. Which is not a surprise because aknowedging the clear conclusion of the quran verses i gave to you would smash the delusion that the quran is from God.. The quran did not come from God and muhammad is a false prophet..

muhammad would never have told them to judge his message by the Bible if he believed at the time that the Bible was corrupt.. It was muhammads lack of knowledge about what the Bible actually taught that caused him to make this error.. An error he would never have made if he was being guidfed by an Angel of the God..

I told you not all the bible is corrupted prophet Mohammad called us to believe in the torah and the bible because they are both divine books but some realities were changed and prophet Mohammad mentioned that fact

 

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that is why the Quran is a more accurate and true divine book than all the others

The Qur'an is more accurate and true because it's a single book rather than a collection of books?

How does that work?

-CryptoLutheran

 

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I told you not all the bible is corrupted prophet Mohammad called us to believe in the torah and the bible because they are both divine books but some realities were changed and prophet Mohammad mentioned that fact

Yes i believe in the Bible and what it says makes it clear that the quran is false.

 

[Niblo]

Yes i believe in the Bible and what it says makes it clear that the quran is false.

‘Say: "You who deny the truth: I do not worship what you worship. You do not worship what I worship. I will never worship what you worship; and you will never worship what I worship. You have your religion, and I have mine”’ (Al-Kafirun: 1-6).

 

[habibii zahra]

The Qur'an is more accurate and true because it's a single book rather than a collection of books?

How does that work?

-CryptoLutheran

yes one book is more truth than multiple books

 

[habibii zahra]

Yes i believe in the Bible and what it says makes it clear that the quran is false.

the book who calls to believe in one god and in all prophets cannot be a false book

 

[ViaCrucis]

yes one book is more truth than multiple books

How did you reach that conclusion?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[habibii zahra]

How did you reach that conclusion?

-CryptoLutheran

it is very simple
the book the Quran invites us to believe in Judaism in Christianity and in Islam
it invites us to believe in Moses in jesus and in Mohammad
it invites us to believe in the torah the bible and the Quran
such a book can ever be a false book...no he is more like a divine book

 

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it is very simple
the book the Quran invites us to believe in Judaism in Christianity and in Islam
it invites us to believe in Moses in jesus and in Mohammad
it invites us to believe in the torah the bible and the Quran
such a book can ever be a false book...no he is more like a divine book

That doesn't actually answer my question. But it does bring up more problems:

The Qur'an doesn't invite people to believe in Judaism and Christianity; because Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all hold to mutually exclusive beliefs.

Then you bring up the Torah and the Bible as though these were two different books again; the Torah consists of the first five books of the Bible.

And none of this explains why the Qur'an must be true because it's one book rather than many.

-CryptoLutheran

 

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the book who calls to believe in one god and in all prophets cannot be a false book

Christians do not believe Muhammad is a prophet, so from a Christian perspective a book that calls him a prophet cannot be true.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CherubRam]

the book who calls to believe in one god and in all prophets cannot be a false book

I have some questions. Where in the Quran does Mohammad say he is a prophet? Also, what did Mohammad prophecy? People have tampered with the bible, what makes you think the Quran has not been changed in any way?

 

[habibii zahra]

That doesn't actually answer my question. But it does bring up more problems:

The Qur'an doesn't invite people to believe in Judaism and Christianity; because Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all hold to mutually exclusive beliefs.

Then you bring up the Torah and the Bible as though these were two different books again; the Torah consists of the first five books of the Bible.

And none of this explains why the Qur'an must be true because it's one book rather than many.

-CryptoLutheran

you can never find any Quran different than any other in the whole earth...yet you have multiple books of bible in the whole world

 

[habibii zahra]

Christians do not believe Muhammad is a prophet, so from a Christian perspective a book that calls him a prophet cannot be true.

-CryptoLutheran

why don't you believe in MOHAMMAD as a prophet ..didn't he came to call you to believe in the god of the Christ?? didn't he call you to believe in the Christ? in the divine books? in the ten commandment??..

 

[habibii zahra]

I have some questions. Where in the Quran does Mohammad say he is a prophet? Also, what did Mohammad prophecy? People have tampered with the bible, what makes you think the Quran has not been changed in any way?

this is the Quran:
Muhammad (

) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful.
Mohammad's prophecy called people to believe in the one god in the unique god and invited people to stop worshipping idols...Mohammad's prophecy change the level of the people's understanding and changed their lives through sticking to the ten commandments through the high morals..they became more humans...prophet Mohammad has came with great morals to be stuck to..he stopped many things..burying female child birth ..mutilation of girls and so much others...
the Quran wasn't change because you will not find any Quran different than any other in the whole universe