Allah AKA Alilah and Mohammad

[Dharma Wheel]

You opened with a false claim and therefore the rest of your post could only be met with scepticism. Allāh wasn't borrowed from Chaldean, it is from the Arabic ''al'' "the" and ''ilāh'' ''god, a cognate of ''Ēl'' which was the name used for the chief of the Proto-Semitic pantheon before the monotheism of Judaism formed . Therefore Allāh is a cognate of the Jewish ''Hā’Ēl'' ''The God''. The Jewish deity is the same god as the Semitic sky-king Ēl as the word 'Ēl' is still used in the Jewish Bible; it is used in Psalms and used and in the Book of Job. So both the god of the Arabs and the god of the Hebrews has always been the same, however, the beliefs and customs associated with this particular god was different for the monotheist Hebrews and the polytheists pre-Islam Arabs.


Proto-Semitic Pantheon:
Ilu "god": ''El'' or ''Elohim'' in Hebrew, ''Allah'' in Arabic. ''The Father'', ''King of Heaven''.

Aṯiratu: Asherah, Ilu's wife. ''The Queen of Heaven'' from JeremiahAṯtaru: Fertility deity.

Aṯtartu: Fertility goddess. Ishtar to the Assyrians and Babylonians.Ba'lu Haddu: God of storms. Later known as Ba'al Hadad. Ba'lu and Ba'al mean ''lord''.
Śamšu: Sun goddess.Wariḫu: Moon god.

I also offer hear people declaring that Allah was an Islamic lunar deity instead of the chief god of the Semite pantheon but this isn't true at all. The lunar god of the pre-Islamic Arabs was simply ''Hilal'' which means ''moon'' and is now the name of the crescent moon that is ues in Islam.

 

[JudaicChristian]

You opened with a false claim and therefore the rest of your post could only be met with scepticism. Allāh wasn't borrowed from Chaldean, it is from the Arabic ''al'' "the" and ''ilāh'' ''god, a cognate of ''Ēl'' which was the name used for the chief of the Proto-Semitic pantheon before the monotheism of Judaism formed . Therefore Allāh is a cognate of the Jewish ''Hā’Ēl'' ''The God''. The Jewish deity is the same god as the Semitic sky-king Ēl as the word 'Ēl' is still used in the Jewish Bible; it is used in Psalms and used and in the Book of Job. So both the god of the Arabs and the god of the Hebrews has always been the same, however, the beliefs and customs associated with this particular god was different for the monotheist Hebrews and the polytheists pre-Islam Arabs.


Proto-Semitic Pantheon:
Ilu "god": ''El'' or ''Elohim'' in Hebrew, ''Allah'' in Arabic. ''The Father'', ''King of Heaven''.

Aṯiratu: Asherah, Ilu's wife. ''The Queen of Heaven'' from JeremiahAṯtaru: Fertility deity.

Aṯtartu: Fertility goddess. Ishtar to the Assyrians and Babylonians.Ba'lu Haddu: God of storms. Later known as Ba'al Hadad. Ba'lu and Ba'al mean ''lord''.
Śamšu: Sun goddess.Wariḫu: Moon god.

I also offer hear people declaring that Allah was an Islamic lunar deity instead of the chief god of the Semite pantheon but this isn't true at all. The lunar god of the pre-Islamic Arabs was simply ''Hilal'' which means ''moon'' and is now the name of the crescent moon that is ues in Islam.

Alilah is a Chaldean god, and "il" is Aramaic and Arabic for god. For thousands of years the personal name of our God has been Yahwah, revealed to Moses by Yahwah Himself. Yahwah has not suddenly become Allah, that is a lie. The Aramaic and Hebrew languages are very much alike. The word title "god, el, or il" is not even in His personal name. Not even the word "THE." You are in error.

 

[tulc]

Alilah is a Chaldean god, and "il" is Aramaic and Arabic for god. For thousands of years the personal name of our God has been Yahwah, revealed to Moses by Yahwah Himself. Yahwah has not suddenly become Allah, that is a lie. The Aramaic and Hebrew languages are very much alike. The word title "god, el, or il" is not even in His personal name. Not even the word "THE." You are in error. (emph. added)

Well no, that's not actually what they revealed. Been here?
Yahweh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yahweh is the English rendering of [FONT=&quot]יַהְוֶה[/FONT], a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton [FONT=&quot]יהוה[/FONT] that was proposed by the Hebrew scholar Gesenius in the 19th century. The stem of the name Yahweh (Yah-) remains widely accepted but disagreements continue on the ending (-weh). This pronunciation and spelling, as with many religious and scholarly issues, remains the subject of ongoing debate[1].

tulc(it's wiki, so the usual provisos should be observed but it seems pretty good)

 

[JudaicChristian]

Well no, that's not actually what they revealed. Been here?
Yahweh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tulc(it's wiki, so the usual provisos should be observed but it seems pretty good)

Originally Hebrew did not use the letter "e" as a vowel.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Truth is narrowly defined. Don't be so open minded that all your brains fall out.​

 

[tulc]

Truth is narrowly defined. Don't be so open minded that all your brains fall out.​

uhmmm...ok.
tulc(isn't sure what this is about but...thanks?)

 

[JudaicChristian]

Bumping for Muslims.​

 

[JudaicChristian]

I see Muslims coming here to read the post, but none are leaving a reply to the post.

 

[Mahammad]

Al-Elaah is a word which means "the God" and Al-Raab which pronounced AR-Raab is a word in Arabic which mean "the lord" both can be found in the Arabic Bible


so when Christian Arabs say Alelaah our god they mean a pagan god?


stop these false claims it's all based on the book "satanic verses" even Rushdie the author of that book said it's all fantasy

even if he didn't say it is fantasy how he going to know about history of Arabs more then Arabs he lived in India and went to a Christian school.

 

[Mahammad]

the First history of Arabs who left the area of Yemen and started to live in the others areas around yemen were worshiping the God of Ishmael(pbuh) the religion of his father there was no Alilah but Allah

there is nothing as Alilah in the Arabic dictionary/Glossary maybe alelah which means "the god" but Allaah is different then Alelaah.

after time the Arabs introduced new things in there religion and after thousands of years they added and deleted a lot of things they deleted the angels they deleted the judgment day and deleted the hellfire and heaven they added new gods (just like Christianity adding a son of god) they thought because Allah is too far away he can't hear there prayers so these Idols would send him the message

they knew Allah is the only God who created the universe but they thought no he can't hear them they need to make some gods so they send it to Allah.

They were just like Christianity. now Christians worship a human and worship the cross

crosses and idols of Jesus no different then the Idols of pagan Arabs

pagan Arabs: prayers can't reach Allah without the Idols, the prayers have to go through these Idols.

Christians: prayers can only go to Allah through Jesus

 

[Isambard]

stop these false claims it's all based on the book "satanic verses" even Rushdie the author of that book said it's all fantasy

even if he didn't say it is fantasy how he going to know about history of Arabs more then Arabs he lived in India and went to a Christian school.

?????

What does Rushdie have anything to do with this? The Satanic Verses is magical realist fiction novel.

*To OP. I stand corrected on your intentions. I was expecting a copy-pasta hit-n-run. I'll look into more detail to what you provided when I have the time. Chau for now.

 

[JudaicChristian]

the First history of Arabs who left the area of Yemen and started to live in the others areas around yemen were worshiping the God of Ishmael(pbuh) the religion of his father there was no Alilah but Allah

there is nothing as Alilah in the Arabic dictionary/Glossary maybe alelah which means "the god" but Allaah is different then Alelaah.

after time the Arabs introduced new things in there religion and after thousands of years they added and deleted a lot of things they deleted the angels they deleted the judgment day and deleted the hellfire and heaven they added new gods (just like Christianity adding a son of god) they thought because Allah is too far away he can't hear there prayers so these Idols would send him the message

they knew Allah is the only God who created the universe but they thought no he can't hear them they need to make some gods so they send it to Allah.

They were just like Christianity. now Christians worship a human and worship the cross

crosses and idols of Jesus no different then the Idols of pagan Arabs

pagan Arabs: prayers can't reach Allah without the Idols, the prayers have to go through these Idols.

Christians: prayers can only go to Allah through Jesus

For Judaeo Christians, we are told by Yahshua to pray to Yahwah our Holy Father. We do not believe that Yahshua was hung on a cross, but a tree pole. We do not have or keep any idols. The Pagan god Alilah goes back to the days of Abraham. Whether an Arabic nation uses "IL" or "EL" depends on the region. Since God Himself said His personal name is Yahwah, we therefor know that Allah is not His name.

 

[tulc]

I see Muslims coming here to read the post, but none are leaving a reply to the post.

Well, it might be because all of this has been posted, rebutted (which is then ignored) then posted again?
tulc(just a thought)

 

[tulc]

For Judaeo Christians, we are told by Yahshua to pray to Yahwah our Holy Father. We do not believe that Yahshua was hung on a cross, but a tree pole. We do not have or keep any idols. The Pagan god Alilah goes back to the days of Abraham. Whether an Arabic nation uses "IL" or "EL" depends on the region. Since God Himself said His personal name is Yahwah, we therefor know that Allah is not His name. (emph. added)

Except "Yahwah" isn't the name given, it's an English equivalent.
tulc(thought you knew that)

 

[JudaicChristian]

Except "Yahwah" isn't the name given, it's an English equivalent.
tulc(thought you knew that)

When it comes to names tulc, it is not proper to translate the meaning of the persons name. Yah/wah is His name, and if you want to know what that means, then you can look it up.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Al-Elaah is a word which means "the God" and Al-Raab which pronounced AR-Raab is a word in Arabic which mean "the lord" both can be found in the Arabic Bible


so when Christian Arabs say Alelaah our god they mean a pagan god?


stop these false claims it's all based on the book "satanic verses" even Rushdie the author of that book said it's all fantasy

even if he didn't say it is fantasy how he going to know about history of Arabs more then Arabs he lived in India and went to a Christian school.

I presume that you must believe that everything I say is a lie, or perhaps you forgot what I wrote already. Anyway, we are not getting anywhere, so I think we can let this thread die.

 

[tulc]

When it comes to names tulc, it is not proper to translate the meaning of the persons name. Yah/wah is His name, and if you want to know what that means, then you can look it up.

Except, again, it's not.
tulc(did look it up, a long time ago even before the internet was around)

 

[Wicked Willow]

stop these false claims it's all based on the book "satanic verses" even Rushdie the author of that book said it's all fantasy

Actually, Rushdie's novel "The Satanic Verses" does not even contain a single reference that would even be remotely related to the claims of the OP.
Did you read it? I did. Twice. A hugely enjoyable work of magical realist fiction that certainly didn't deserve any of the violent backlash it received. Monty Python's "The Life of Brian" contains vastly more incendiary potential, and yet I haven't seen Christian authorities place a bounty on the heads of John Cleese et. al.

 

[Dharma Wheel]

Alilah is a Chaldean god, and "il" is Aramaic and Arabic for god. For thousands of years the personal name of our God has been Yahwah, revealed to Moses by Yahwah Himself. Yahwah has not suddenly become Allah, that is a lie. The Aramaic and Hebrew languages are very much alike. The word title "god, el, or il" is not even in His personal name. Not even the word "THE." You are in error.

No you are merely spouting crap. ''Al'' is Arabic for ''the'' hence ''Al Medina'' is ''The Town'' (''Medina'' being ''town'') and ''Al-Andalus'' means ''The Andalus. ''Al'' still is the Arabic for ''the''. You are in error. Sorry.

Allah is from ''Al'' ''The'' and ''ilah'' ''God'', if you deny this fact you are arguing with professional etymologists.

''El'' is used in the Old Testament for YHWH and does infact mean ''God''. He is also called 'Ha'El' which means ''The God''. You are wrong again.

And the Arabs are not Chaldeans (who spoke Akkadian and were Babylonian) but a sperated Semitic people.

Here is the Chaldean/Mesoptamian pantheon:

* Anu: God of Heaven.
* Enlil: God of the Air.
* Enki: God of Water.
* Ki: The Mother Goddess
* Ashur: A sky god.
* Ninlil: Goddess of the Air.
* Inanna: The Goddess of Hate and Love.
* Marduk: The God of Light.
* Nanna: God of the Moon.
* Utu: God of the Sun.
* Sherida: Wife of Utu.
* Ninurta: God of The Harvest.

And the Pre-Islamic Arabic pantheon:

* Allah/Alilah: Chief God, ruler of Heaven, creator of the universe.
* Al-Laat: ''Star''-Goddess (''Venus''), daughter of Allah.
* Al-Manaat: The Goddess of Fate. A daughter of Allah.
* Al-Uzza: A daughter of Allah. Her name means “The Powerful”.
* Manaaf: A Goddess
* Hubal: The Guardian God of Mecca.
* Wadd: The Goddess of Love.
* Hilal: The God of the Moon.
* Shams: Goddess of the Sun.
* Ruda: Goddess of Favour.
* Quzah: God of Thunder.
* Manat: Goddess of Time and Death.

 

[humblemuslim]

In Orthodox Judaism and Christianity we also have people tell lies to defend their position. We all live in a very dishonest world, but also people will tell you what they think the truth is with all sincerity and also be wrong. Finding the truth requires a lot of study, and honesty with ones self. In regards to the word Allah. Did only Mohammad know the name of God? Of course not! Now before the name Allah was introduced there was a pagan god in the Kaaba called Alilah that was worshipped by the Arabs, and afterward Mohammad introduces Allah. For thousands of years God's personal name has been Yahwah, and Aramaic and Hebrew are very much alike. Now how did Yahwah become Allah I ask you?

What makes you so confident your sincerity is not misplaced?

This argument makes absolutely no sense. Consider how easily I can produce a likewise evidence against Yahwah.

Yahweh (ie. YHWH) is believed by scholars to derive from hawah,[28] a Hebrew root cognate to an Arabic word meaning fall (down), and which is usually translated with this sense where it occurs in the Book of Job;[29] scholars therefore usually proffer interpretations of Yahweh along the lines of he [who] falls, he [who causes to] fall, or more figuratively he [who] casts down. Among other possibilities, it would be a suitable name for a storm deity, perhaps representing the fall of rain, the casting down of lightning, etc.[28]

Biblical passages attributed by textual scholars to the priestly source expressly declare that the name Yahweh (YHWH) was unknown to the biblical patriarchs,[30] and the episode of the burning bush in the Elohist text suggests that Moses and the Israelites had not known the deity under that name before, if they had previously worshipped him at all.[citation needed] The divergent Yahwist account, which suggests that Yahweh had always been worshipped, is thought to be due to the Kenite element in the Kingdom of Judah.

The Elohist account describes Jethro, a Midianite priest, meeting the Israelites near Mount Sinai, and extolling the virtues of Yahweh to them; scholars surmise therefore that Israelite use of the name Yahweh originates among the people in whose lands the mountain lay - the Midianites according to the biblical text. The region around Mount Seir, which is one of two main modern candidates for the location of Sinai, have several cult places sacred to the storm and weather god(s); at Serabit el Khadim, within this region, petroglyphs have been found which seem to confirm that Yahweh was at one time reverenced by the tribes in the area.

According to a theory, Yahweh may be a compound from Yahu or Yah, explaining why there are many theophoric names (of people and places) based on Yah but few based on Yahweh as a whole; the theory proposes that Yahu/Yah is the name of a deity worshipped throughout the Western Semitic area. Based on damaged writing at Elba, dated to the reign of Ebrum, it has been proposed by Mark Smith[31] that Yah was the original name of Yam, and that this Yah must be another form of Ea, the Babylonian version of Enki, with which Yam has several similarities. Jean Bottero and other archaeologists have consequently supported the view that Yahweh derives from this Yah, and ultimately from Enki.[32][33] It has also not gone unnoticed that the Egyptian word for moon was Yah, and the semitic moon god was Sin, after which scholars believe Sinai and the surrounding wilderness of Sin were named.

Source - Yahweh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am assuming you are not going to accept the argument against Yahweh, why then apply it to Allah? It makes no sense. If I call God Mooshooka does it really matter? No. Intent matters. Just because the word is being used does not mean there is spiritual diversion. It is not like our intended prayers for the one true God are being channeled to some other being off in space named Allah or whatever. Such a notion is absurd. If you are arguing against the founding of the religion that is one thing. But to tell someone else they are worshipping something they state plainly to you that they are not is not only insulting but pointless.

Muslims are worshipping a being outside our existence, a eternal non-material being. No statues of Allah are being erect by muslims. No pictures of Allah being painted by muslims. Muslims will not even depict the prophet. Yet time and time again I see the same illogical arguments that muslims are worshipping some pagan idol that seems to be quite evasive in muslim Masjids and households. Where can such an idol be found in a Masjid or household of a muslim? No where. Idol worship is strictly forbidden.

In another thread someone tried to tell me the black stone in Mecca is the idol. Are you kidding me? So according to that logic, that would mean muslims believe the black stone is Allah. Simply absurd.