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Hammster

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I know-I did. So obviously I would not say that God wanted this happen to you, whether He was on-duty or not. So what's your answer?
You think that’s a comforting answer?
 
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I deeply apologize. I didn’t know that the simple question needed that much of an explanation.

Was the crucifixion of Jesus Christ decreed by God Father?
 
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You think that’s a comforting answer?
i didn't ask you if it was a comforting answer, or even suggest that it was. In fact I didn't offer an answer at all -I only asked if you'd tell the victim that God wanted them to be abused.
 
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i didn't ask you if it was a comforting answer, or even suggest that it was. In fact I didn't offer an answer at all -I only asked if you'd tell the victim that God wanted them to be abused.
No, I wouldn’t. That would be awful.
 
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I deeply apologize. I didn’t know that the simple question needed that much of an explanation.
Not all of us are familiar with the definitions used on the planet on which you reside, unfortunately.

Was the crucifixion of Jesus Christ decreed by God Father?
No, God the Father did not command Judas to betray our Lord, he did not command the Sanhedrin to put him on trial, and he did not command the roman soldiers to drive nails into his limbs and hang him on the cross. He allowed these sins to occur in keeping with his ultimate plans for redeeming mankind.
 
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Ya, it's not a particularly easy question as I see it.
No, it’s not. Even a biblically accurate answer wouldn’t be emotionally satisfying in a lot of cases.
 
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I ask if it was decreed, not if every aspect was commanded. If the Father wanted it to happen, it would happen just as He wanted it to.
 
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So God's will is all should be saved and none should perish, and yet creation can choose to perish?

So I guess this means God does not see his will played out?
Yes, God's perfect will is not playing out at this time.

Per Matthew 6:10, Jesus commanded us to pray "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". Be is in the present tense. Since Jesus will only command us to pray God's perfect will, we know that God's Perfect Will is where what is happening in heaven occurs here on earth. There is no sin, sickness, depression, or demon possession in heaven; therefore God's perfect will is not being done on earth at this time.
 
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That is, of course, your view of what happens. We don't know what little or lot he does, except what we see, and even that is interpreted by us according to our values.

I do not deny, (far from it), that God uses means to accomplish his ends, but he still completes precisely what he set out to do from the very beginning, and that is in EVERY detail. God "allowing" logically turns out to be the same as God "causing", but by use of means.
 
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How about Webster’s?

: a foreordaining will
//God's decree
Can't find it. Do you have a web-link to that dictionary?

Besides, you posted a definition of a noun. In your initial question you used "decree" as a verb, not as a noun. Giving me a definition of a noun does not tell me what definition of the verb you are using.
 
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I have the app.

verb

2: to determine or order judicially
 
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verb

2: to determine or order judicially
Alright. Was your question:

1) Did God the Father "determine" our Lord's crucifixion?

or

2) Did God the Father "order judicially" our Lord's crucifixion?

I don't think that either of those questions makes sense, but perhaps you can clarify what you want to know.
 
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