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All things are permissible for me....

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by grampster, Sep 16, 2021.

  1. grampster

    grampster New Member

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    1 Corinthians 6:12. I'd like to hear a bit of opinion/discussion about what Paul says here.

    What do you think about the context of his comment? Was Paul talking about all the rules and regs of the OT for Jews Vs faith in the redeeming of the repentant by belief and acceptance of the birth, suffering, death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus...especially in light of what Jesus said about all the Law and the Prophets hang on two commands; loving God with our whole being and our neighbor as our self. Matthew 22:35-40 and elsewhere. (Thoughtful contemplation reveals even tho this sounds simple, it certainly is not easy)

    There is much in the OT and NT for we Christians to identify obvious behavior that is sinful: The 10 Commandments illuminate them of course. In other words, in addition, since God has written his Law on our Hearts, (exclaimed in the OT and NT) we are pretty aware of obvious behavior that is sinful.

    So, is Paul talking more here about general bad habits we have picked up in our lives and many times retain even after we are saved? Things like self indulgence that doesn't necessarily harm other people, yet might not be beneficial to us as believers? Is Paul telling us to search our consciences daily and think about how we can be better saved human beings? I've been thinking lately that selfishness tends to be a failing mainly because we don't recognize how being selfish isn't such an obvious failing. Yet selfishness can cross a lot of boundaries with self and others.

    I'm finding it hard to try and explain what exactly I'm asking here...thus why I ask the question.
     
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  2. Michie

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    You can read commentary on the whole chapter here: 1 Corinthians, CHAPTER 6 | USCCB


    * [6:1220] Paul now turns to the opinion of some Corinthians that sexuality is a morally indifferent area (1 Cor 6:1213). This leads him to explain the mutual relation between the Lord Jesus and our bodies (1 Cor 6:13b) in a densely packed paragraph that contains elements of a profound theology of sexuality (1 Cor 6:1520).

    * [6:1213] Everything is lawful for me: the Corinthians may have derived this slogan from Paul’s preaching about Christian freedom, but they mean something different by it: they consider sexual satisfaction a matter as indifferent as food, and they attribute no lasting significance to bodily functions (1 Cor 6:13a). Paul begins to deal with the slogan by two qualifications, which suggest principles for judging sexual activity. Not everything is beneficial: cf. 1 Cor 10:23, and the whole argument of 1 Cor 810 on the finality of freedom and moral activity. Not let myself be dominated: certain apparently free actions may involve in fact a secret servitude in conflict with the lordship of Jesus.
     
  3. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    A baby is born a big bundle of sin. It is all wrapped up in his mortal nature. That is what Paul is talking about. Jesus told Nicodemus that you have to be born again! Flesh gives birth to flesh and Spirit gives birth to spirit.(John 3) Have you ever noticed that you don't have to teach a baby/child to do wrong? It is innate to the sinful nature of mortal man. See 1 Cor. 7.
     
  4. Maria Billingsley

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    Most commentaries agree Paul was being flippant. After all, he was speaking to Corinthians who were the worst of congregations. They took liberty, almost Gnostic in their thinking. Pushing the envelope, as we say, when dealing with sin. Be blessed.
     
  5. Ligurian

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    John 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

    Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Emmanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, before he knows either to prefer evil or choose the good. 16 For before the child shall know good or evil, he refuses evil, to choose the good; and the land shall be forsaken which thou art afraid of because of the two kings.

    If ever there was a reason to stop having children, "a big bundle of sin" should do it.
     
  6. Jeshu

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    All things are permissible when we reside in God's kingdom and let His loving truth guide and feeds us. However the human heart has much life in darkness, misery and sin, for sin dwells within us, not just outside of us.

    So with regard to selfishness i have found that in that self Jesus put me very last in the line of selves in me to be saved. i also learned to understand that much sin is tied to having a selfish spirit living inside of me.

    As a matter of fact when Jesus was first revealed in my life, it was in my selfish lawless self that He cut me down, and in my God and neighbour loving self He put me on the Throne beside Him. Before that i had not understood how satan had trapped me often not repenting of being selfish, even thinking Jesus loved me.

    So when you love God for who He is, and not just because He blessed you and life is going good, you know that no law applies to you whatsoever. For loving God sets free from sin. Indeed when we love God then we don't desire to do sin, rather we love, thank, and praise Him, for the awesome God He truly is.

    i wrote a poem about the day I met the Lord right inside my egocentric spirit.

    In My last I

    i heard and saw
    for myself
    what big I's
    do best,
    replying first
    to Heaven's questions.

    i heard and saw,
    "Me!! Yes, I..!"
    answering triumphantly,
    ignoring the rest of me,
    self-importance rising proudly,
    “I.., I.., I..,
    yes.., ME!”

    i had heard and seen,
    “Who is first?
    Who deserves to be in Heaven?
    Who earned the power, glory and honour over here?
    Who is more important?
    Who deserves the crown?
    Who wants to live forever?”

    i heard and saw
    that there was
    no room
    for the rest
    of myself,
    nor anyone else,
    either!

    i heard and saw
    merely a
    swollen ego
    boasting
    arrogantly
    I am
    best!

    i heard and saw
    a marvellous Light
    decent from Heaven,
    screaming,
    my big I lit-up
    from hair to toe
    aflame!

    i heard and saw
    in The End
    a final tiny
    flame flickering,
    my big I
    blazed out
    for good!

    i heard and saw
    much better
    after i had
    that 'hiccup'
    going up
    tho'
     
  7. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    Oh you have me wrong. I did not mean that children do not bring joy into the world. I meant that we are all born with the sin nature. That is why we have to be born again.
     
  8. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    Exactly. Sin is mortal man's nature. We receive God's nature when we are born again.
     
  9. Jeshu

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    Indeed where we die from being mortally focussed, time and again, and we are raised spiritually focussed.

    Romans 6:4
    "We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life."
     
  10. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Really it is more than focus. It is like when we are born, we are dead spiritually but our spirits are regenerated when we get born again.
     
  11. Jeshu

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    Yes indeed we died to the dark forces in which we had our old life, and came to New Life in the Spirit of Christ through the truths of Scripture.

    So awesome to see The Word come true right inside our own hearts!

    Galatians 4:3-7
    So also, when we were underage, we were in slavery under the elemental spiritual forces of the world. But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship. Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.

    It is awesome to be freed from the power of sin and be allowed to have Christ's Spirit in our hearts and truly grown into a child of God, don't you reckon?
     
  12. Handmaid for Jesus

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    So it is that born again Saints have the leading and power of the Holy Spirit to resist bondage to anything though everything is available. But walking in the Spirit is much like a toddler learning his first steps. When he falls, parents don't condemn him but they help him up and he tries again and again until he is confidently walking. So it is with learning to walk in the Holy Spirit.Therefore there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
     
  13. Ligurian

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    Isaiah says people aren't born with a sin nature... they have the ability to choose the good. Mankind has free will, and each lives or dies by his own choice.

    So, Jesus says the prince of this world is judged, because it's the devil who brought sin and death to the world... and Jesus' death meant Resurrection, which is the defeat of Death and the fulfillment of Genesis 3:15.
     
  14. tdidymas

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    Can you give chapter and verse?
     
  15. Ligurian

    Ligurian Matthew 10:5-7

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    Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Emmanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, before he knows either to prefer evil or choose the good. 16 For before the child shall know good or evil, he refuses evil, to choose the good; and the land shall be forsaken which thou art afraid of because of the two kings.LXX
     
  16. Ligurian

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    1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
     
  17. Handmaid for Jesus

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    In that case, if what you say is true, Father did not need to send Jesus to redeem mankind.
     
  18. Ligurian

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    Matthew 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: 34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, He sent His servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35 And the husbandmen took His servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again, He sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37 But last of all He sent unto them His Son, saying, They will reverence My Son. 38 But when the husbandmen saw the Son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill Him, and let us seize on His inheritance. 39 And they caught Him, and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].

    John 4:33 Therefore said the Disciples one to another, Hath any man brought Him [aught] to eat? 34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of Him that sent me, and to finish His work. 35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and [then] cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. 36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. 38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.
     
  19. Jeshu

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    Huh?

    Colossians 1:22
    "But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— "
     
  20. tdidymas

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    It doesn't say what you claimed. This is a prophecy about Christ, who is the only one besides Adam who was born without a sinful nature.

    We know that everyone is born with a sinful nature by these two facts:
    1. Everyone sins. If anyone was born righteous (other than Christ Himself), then there would be some percentage of people who would live righteously. But Rom. 3:10-18 says otherwise. "All are under sin."
    2. Children start sinning by nature on their own. But they must be taught righteous behavior, because it's not in their nature.

    Rom. 11:32 "For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."
    Notice: "everyone" = no one is excluded (save Christ alone),
    "disobedience" = sin. The fact that no one initially believes in Christ the way He commands proves that all are sinners.
     
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