All The White Supremacists Running For Office In 2018

[EastCoastRemnant]

Because the point of the thread is pretty much summed up in the Headline:

if those other groups are white supremacists running for office in 2018 then feel free to discuss them, if however you want to discuss groups/people that aren't "white supremacists running for office in 2018" then this thread isn't about them. You can however quite easily start another thread where those groups/people can be discussed.
tulc(isn't sure why this is such a problem)

I'm quite comfortable here, thanx anyway.... need to keep a balance in these discussions.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Hi ECR,

Well, you're free to believe and practice your faith in whatever way seems right to you.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

This a thread about politics Ted... temporal issues are not spiritual issues. Yes, I know we fight not against flesh and blood... My faith does not blind me to the realities in our world and the way some people want to skew it one way or another. I am trying to bring balance to a one sided debate espoused by the OP.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Hi ECR,

You get to practice what you believe God is asking of you in the way that you understand the Scriptures. I'll practice what I believe that God is asking of me in the way that I understand the Scriptures.

Yes, God held Israel as special over all the other nations of the earth, but that's it, and there was a certain purpose in that. As far as all the other nations of the world, I don't find in the Scriptures any indication that God sees people in Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras or anywhere else as particularly different from one another. Israel is the only nation of the world for which God holds out any special dispensation. Even among Isreal, He allows that not all of Israel are His people.

I believe that God asks us to love our neighbors. I don't read that as meaning just the guy that lives next door to me. The account of the Samaritan who was beaten on the road wasn't a next door neighbor of any of those people who passed him by. God asks His children to live differently than the world. To be apart from and holy before them. I believe that God wants His children to care for everyone. To be mindful and concerned for the Mexican who is trying to provide better for his family than he thinks he can do in his birth country. We're a rich, rich nation and yet we are so very, very poor in our concern for others. We'd rather spend our billions and billions on making a great war machine. Do you honestly think that's in keeping with God's desire for His children? That He wants us to be more concerned about bombs and guns than people?

Let the world live as it will, but the Scriptures tell us, the children of God, that we aren't to live like them. So, I rather expect this kind of thinking that you propose when I'm over on the open boards, but over here on the 'I'm a child of God' boards, I was rather expecting that it would be different.

Maybe that's what Jesus was talking about to his disciples when he spoke of all those christians who did great and mighty works in his name, and yet he didn't know them. Jesus said that it's easy to love those who love us and that it was what the pagans did. The hard part of being a child of God is to love the least. To love those that we so much want to not love.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Interesting that you direct this post at me... do you suppose I'm bigoted? Is it because I oppose the unilateral discussion of racism? Because I can see racism in every culture? This problem will never go away as long as we are only addressing one side of it.

You mentioned that those from other countries just want to have a better life... I agree and that is what America stands for... through legal immigration.

 

[Hieronymus]

I see people expressing their pride for their Irish and Italian heritage especially in America. Now some may get skittish when they say "I"m proud to be white" because it's so closely related to racist white supremacist lingo of the past.

Or is it the total demonzing of national socialism?
We get taught Hitler wanted war, and that the Nazi's hated other ethnic groups.
But there is also undeniable evidence that the Jews declared war on Germans after they kicked out the Jewish banksters, and because they didn't want what happened in Russia in the previous decades.
If it wasn't for the 'official' story regarding WWII, there probably wouldn't have been any 'white guilt'.

But I've never seen someone afraid to express their pride in their Irish, Italian, British, or German heritage.

It's possibly worse in EU.
We're not allowed to stand up against immigration problems.

 

[tulc]

So, we will just discuss one facet of a multifaceted problem? Sounds like an echo chamber if you ask me.

You can feel free to discuss all the facets in the OP:
A) are they White supremacists?
B) are they running for office in 2018
those are pretty much all the facets in this thread
here's a list of things that aren't facets of this thread:
A) anyone who's not a white supremacist
B) anyone not running for office in 2018
I hope that helps.
tulc(is wondering if EastCoastRemnant has started a thread to discuss the things he'd like to discuss?)

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You can feel free to discuss all the facets in the OP:
A) are they White supremacists?
B) are they running for office in 2018
those are pretty much all the facets in this thread
here's a list of things that aren't facets of this thread:
A) anyone who's not a white supremacist
B) anyone not running for office in 2018
I hope that helps.
tulc(is wondering if EastCoastRemnant has started a thread to discuss the things he'd like to discuss?)

Reality is that this is an internet forum and it is supposed to welcome comments and reactions to what each individual has thoughts on.... sorry you can't accept this process. Maybe a blog would suit your desire for constrained dialogue.

Btw, in case you haven't noticed, almost all threads veer off the subject matter to a certain degree. It is usually only egregious if it devolves into something completely different from what was originally being discussed. The discussion here was on racists running for office. I felt the conversation was slightly biased towards only one group of racists so I chimed in to balance the conversation. Not what I would deem "off topic"... but we all have our opinions.

 

[Polar Bear Quest]

Being a pro-white conservative doesn't make someone a white supremacist.

You think the opponents of these individuals are anti-white?

 

[Polar Bear Quest]

You have access to the WORLD WIDE WEB and you can't check what's happening in SA?.... sounds like your just not willing to put in the small effort that would take.

I was trying to give you a hint to inform me as to what is happening. Also, you haven't answered my question, is there some mass genocide of whites going on.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I was trying to give you a hint to inform me as to what is happening. Also, you haven't answered my question, is there some mass genocide of whites going on.

I'm not your secretary.... if you truly wanted to know you'd find out.

 

[tulc]

Reality is that this is an internet forum and it is supposed to welcome comments and reactions to what each individual has thoughts on.... sorry you can't accept this process. Maybe a blog would suit your desire for constrained dialogue.

Still trying to make this thread be about what you want it to be about instead of what the OP was about I see. But kudos on the whole "I can't help it you don't understand how this works." It's been a while since anyone trotted that old chestnut out.

Btw, in case you haven't noticed, almost all threads veer off the subject matter to a certain degree. It is usually only egregious if it devolves into something completely different from what was originally being discussed.

You mean like trying to make the discussion about something different from what the OP was about? Like this:

The discussion here was on racists running for office. I felt the conversation was slightly biased towards only one group of racists so I chimed in to balance the conversation.

When the OP was actually about white supremacists running for office in 2018 and you tried to make it about whole other groups of people who weren't, you know, running for anything? And I pointed out that if you wanted to discuss those non-white supremacists who weren't running for anything in 2018 you could simply start another thread and discuss that there.

Not what I would deem "off topic"

While it's interesting how you wouldn't "deem it off topic" none of it actually contains anything about the topic in it.

... but we all have our opinions.

Ahhh...something else to bring up in your nonexistent thread about something else you want to discuss.
tulc(is still chuckling about the whole "sorry you don't understand how the interwebz work" riff)

 

[tulc]

I'm not your secretary.... if you truly wanted to know you'd find out.

Wait...I thought this was how internet forums worked?
tulc(someone told him that recently)

 

[Polar Bear Quest]

Or is it the total demonzing of national socialism?
We get taught Hitler wanted war, and that the Nazi's hated other ethnic groups.
But there is also undeniable evidence that the Jews declared war on Germans after they kicked out the Jewish banksters, and because they didn't want what happened in Russia in the previous decades.
If it wasn't for the 'official' story regarding WWII, there probably wouldn't have been any 'white guilt'.It's possibly worse in EU.
We're not allowed to stand up against immigration problems.

You completely ignored my answer. This is not even debatable that whites express their pride for being white (Irish, German, British etc.) and no one ever stops the or shames them. Hitler has nothing to do with this. Neither does immigration. Whites are allowed to be proud of where they come from. These are the kind of talking points I hear that worry me because 1) it's flat out false and 2) it builds up a victim mentality in people that should not be there.

 

[Polar Bear Quest]

Hi PB,

Diversity is what made America what it is today. Diversity is what made America what it was 50 years ago; 100 years ago. We have, for all intents and purposes, been a nation that has taken in just about anyone who would come to our shores and ask for citizenship. It is actually a rather modern and liberal idea that we now want to shut off our borders. Why? Because now Americans are greedy and separatist. We're afraid that new people are going to take from us what we've got. We no longer want the poor and huddled masses because they're going to take from us what we've got. This is actually new, in the last 50 years, thinking.

Despite what political pundits would have us believe, illegal immigration doesn't really cost us much in the way of social services as they would have us believe. Yes, the dollar amounts sound big to us who work with checking balances that are a couple of hundred or a few thousand dollars. But in the grand scheme of a national budget of some $4-5 trillion, the few million that we might spend on services for illegal immigrants is a drop in the bucket. A lot of those illegal immigrants pay taxes. They pay sales taxes when they buy goods and services just like everyone else. Many have payroll taxes taken out, but because they are illegal, they don't get to file to get them back even though they may well live below the poverty level. Many states pay school taxes through property tax levies. Guess what, when an illegal immigrant family rents some squalid home to live in, the landlord of that property pays property taxes out of the revenue earned from the rents. So, many illegal immigrants pay a share of school taxes just like everyone else that has a roof over their head.

I'm a landlord. I have owned rental properties in South Florida. All of my tenants, although they didn't personally fill out a check to pay property taxes from which school costs are paid, the check that I sent for the respective property taxes was their money. I was just the middle man that collected it from them. Just as many mortgage companies actually send the check to pay the property taxes from escrowed amounts from monthly mortgage payments. There are actually millions of people across this nation that don't personally send the check to pay their property taxes, but they pay their property taxes. So, it's just a little disingenuous to say that illegal immigrants don't pay for the costs of their children attending American schools. If they have a roof over their heads for which they pay any kind of rent, then they pay property taxes just as much as anyone who rents a home to provide a roof over their head.

So, I'm not so bothered by this argument that illegal immigration costs us a lot of money. Now, there is the issue of vetting immigrants because of the new breed of terrorists, but most terrorists do not come from Mexico or South America. Many of our terrorists are just home grown angry Americans. The majority of the rest have been identified as middle eastern. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist for all intent of the definition. Timothy McVeigh was a good ole American boy. He was born here and raised here and went to school here. He would never have been identified as a terrorist through any immigration channels, but there he was. Stephen Paddock was a good ole American boy born in Iowa for crying out loud.

So, I just don't see the picture of immigration as our boaster in chief does. I don't agree that immigration is costing us a boatload of money. I imagine that even if we did stop all illegal immigration we wouldn't see one spot of difference in our national financial picture that would be measurable. I don't agree that anywhere near the majority or even a large part of immigrants are murderers, rapists or terrorists. The facts just don't support the claims.

Here's an interesting article on the subject of illegal immigrants paying taxes: Why undocumented immigrants pay taxes

All these people that will yell and scream at us that illegal immigrants don't pay their way don't ever mention anything about this. They don't bother even allowing that many of them do pay taxes and all of them, if they're living in a home, pay for schools through the property taxes that their landlord pays, or that they pay sales taxes just like everyone else. Contrary to popular belief, illegal immigrants don't usually get a free ride once they start working and find a place to live and begin buying supplies and clothing for their families.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Thank you for the lengthy response. I do agree illegal immigrants in many cases are not some massive weight on the country. There are definitely bad apples that need to be sorted through but overall their harmful impact is grossly exaggerated.

Of course, I have no problem with someone being against illegal immigration because it's illegal after all. That being said, the rhetoric that is spewed often is hateful and plays to a certain crowd that does not have Christian qualities.

I myself find it very worrying that so many who call themselves Christians are supporting Trump and defending him despite his disgusting behavior. I'm hoping some will recognize the error of their ways.

 

[Polar Bear Quest]

I have heard of violence by some people that espouse white nationalist leanings... just like I've heard of violence by every other ethnicities nationalist groups. Why are "white' crimes of violence worse than say a Mexican or Guatemalan rape and murder of innocents?

We're discussing white supremacists not any other group, the topic of this thread is literally about white supremacists not other ethnicity's or random gangs. So can you answer this simple question for me?

Just a FYI... that is not a racist statement. It is a fact that illegal immigrants are bringing drugs across the border. It's a fact that MS13 and other illegal gangs are terrorizing American neighbourhoods, raping an killing for sport. Can you give me one quote that Trump is against allowing legal immigration? Or allowing 1.8 million DACA's to earn a path to citizenship? Far more, btw, than Trumps predecessor was allowing.

Yes "that" is a racist statement. You ignored my portion of the post where I said:

Note here, he won't even admit most are law abiding, instead he says "some" may be good, he won't even "some" are good.

Imagine if I said "some whites MAY not be white supremacists." You'd flip your lid and rightfully so. But when another group is being attacked you seem to find every excuse in the book to defend the indefensible.

Moving on, the idea that the black unemployment rate is decreasing because of Trump has been refuted. It was an outright lie from Trump and this has been proven over and over again.

Whether MS13 is killing people or not is not the main point here. We know for a fact that the majority of immigrants period are not scoff laws. MS13 is a gang and immigrants are not. Are some of them killing sure, but to denigrate an entire group of people because of one gang is just foolishness.

I'll post the link again that literally shows a laundry list of Trump's racist past.

Opinion | Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List

I honestly worry for Christians. Many have been taken in by Trump and many elements in the media. I think it's important that we shut off the television from time to time and just take the time to speak to God about certain issues and think about how Jesus would handle them.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Why have my posts received so much attention if they are not relevant to the OP? I don't believe I have read one reply to the OP so the fact that this thread has 95 posts and counting and no one has responded to Tulc's initial inquiry is interesting.

 

[tulc]

I'm quite comfortable here, thanx anyway.... need to keep a balance in these discussions.

Then please discuss the topic and when you're feeling like it's time to discuss another topic plz feel free to discuss it in another thread. Which is why it's so easy to post threads.
tulc(is reminded of Proverbs 11:1)

 

[tulc]

Why have my posts received so much attention if they are not relevant to the OP?

That would probably be because you posted something. When you post something people will respond. I think that's how these forums work.

I don't believe I have read one reply to the OP

You mean since your post in post #23? Because pretty much every post before that was about the OP, then you thought about something you wanted to discuss and instead of simply starting another thread you seem to feel this would be a better place to discuss it instead.

so the fact that this thread has 95 posts and counting and no one has responded to Tulc's initial inquiry is interesting.

...and completely wrong.
tulc(does understand a little better how EastCoastRemant thinks now)

 

[compassion 4 humanity]

ok.
tulc(thinks that would make an interesting thread but wonders why it was posted here?)

Because the term "white supremacist" always gets thrown around whenever a white conservative takes a stand for the interests of his ethnic group. Meanwhile, liberals are okay with the NAACP and La Raza (the race).

 

[Tom 1]

This post has made me think - I don’t feel anything in particular about being white/caucasian. I don’t ever think about the fact that I am caucasian, it simply isn’t something that crosses my mind. I’m no more proud of being white than I am proud of having 2 feet or a nose, or 5 fingers on each hand. I don’t see it as important. I do fully accept and admit though that I am glad that I live in a world in which Western, more or less Christian influenced more or less democracy, imperfect as it is, is the dominant model, despite the suffering it has caused - I’d rather live in that world than one say dominated by a poytheistic caste system, or whatever else that I can imagine.

On the other hand, if I was part of one ethnic group, or nationality, that had been enslaved and treated as something less than human in recent history by another ethnic group, then I would feel differently about my ethnicity/nationality - I think I’d be a lot more ‘in your face’ about representing my ethnic group, and my pride in being part of it. The argument that all nations/ethnicities may have at one time or another enslaved and maltreated other groups, while true as far as it goes, doesn’t really answer that - I mean who gives a crap about something like that happening centuries, or even thousands of years ago (Modern day slavery happens of course but it’s not on my doorstep and it isn’t directed at people like me, so, terrible as it is, I don’t feel personally attacked by it)? The argument disregards human nature - if my grandfather or great-grandfather had been lynched or seen as subhuman by someone from some other ethnic group then I’d feel strongly about it I think, if some ancestor of mine was enslaved 2,000 yrs ago and I somehow knew about it, it would just be a curiosity.

As one example, the Irish in the UK - linked with 100s of years of British mistreatment of the Irish (oversimplifying for the sake of a short post but still) when there was an influx of Irish workers to the UK in the mid 1800’s they were generally relegated to manual work and were often treated with derision and seen as being ‘thick’. You’d have to look hard to actually find an English person nowadays who actually believes that Irish people are somehow less intelligent, but the idea persists in Irish jokes. These kind of things hang around, borrowing from James Baldwin ideas stick way past their sell-by date.

So, what I’m thinking is that there isn’t really a level playing field when it comes to expressing ‘pride’ in your ethnicity. Those who have been at the top of the economic and political tree have some responsibility to take into account the lingering affects of recent history, in which they (as an ethnicity, the thing they may be expressing pride about) have been - during this period of history - the victors and often the despoilers, regardless of the value of the eventual outcomes of this, when expressing their own pride. The sons and grandsons of a guy who made his money trampling on others weren’t responsible for his behaviour, but that doesn’t mean they can’t acknowledge the actual effect of that behaviour in their own present day, and show some sensitivity towards those who suffered.

 

[Polar Bear Quest]

Being a pro-white conservative doesn't make someone a white supremacist.

So if you're pro-white do you think others are anti-white? I'm assuming you're pro-all racial groups. Why the need to focus on the pro-white aspect?