All the verses I could find

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I always acknowledge first that I am a gay man and consider myself as a Christian so anyone will know where I'm coming from. It was a great conflict in my youth.

However, now when confronted with this issue I refer people back to the Bible. I recommend reading Samuel I beginning with chapter 18 through Samuel II chapter I.

Don't focus on the relationship of David and Saul, but on the relationship between David and Jonathan (the son of Saul). If there is any question as to their relationship I believe that it is answered in Samuel II chapter I verse 26 when upon learning of Jonathan's death David declares " I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; You have been very pleasant (underline added) to me; Your love to me was wonderful, Surpassing the love of women."

I believe that that verse speaks for itself.

I also go to Matthew chapter 19. Although Jesus is questioned on the issue of divorce, look to verses 9 through 12. First if there is anyone out there that has divorced his wife, except for sexual immorality and marries another...according to this verse he is committing adultery. So be careful to judge others!

But when asked that "If such is the case of the man with his wife, is it better not to marry." Jesus answers in verse 11 "All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given:
12: "For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."

Since there was no word for homosexual during this period of time many belive that eunuch referred to all men that did not have sex with women, not just those that had been "castrated".

Those that came from their mother's womb...referring to homosexuals? Those eunuchs that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake...referring to a vow celibacy? Questionable that these two meant that children from their mother's womb and men of religion were castrated.

So from verse 11 I feel that my "homosexuality" was "given to me."

 

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[SIZE=-1]I always acknowledge first that I am a gay man and consider myself as a Christian so anyone will know where I'm coming from. It was a great conflict in my youth.

However, now when confronted with this issue I refer people back to the Bible. I recommend reading Samuel I beginning with chapter 18 through Samuel II chapter I.

Don't focus on the relationship of David and Saul, but on the relationship between David and Jonathan (the son of Saul). If there is any question as to their relationship I believe that it is answered in Samuel II chapter I verse 26 when upon learning of Jonathan's death David declares " I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; You have been very pleasant (underline added) to me; Your love to me was wonderful, Surpassing the love of women."

I believe that that verse speaks for itself[/SIZE].. . .

Your false interpretation of this passage has no basis in Hebrew exegesis or grammar, and can only be found on gay websites.

From the time of Moses, ca. 1200 BC, the Talmudic scholars interpreted the scriptures as condemning ALL homosexuals acts; by ALL persons, male and female; in ALL places, under ALL circumstance, at ALL times, NO exceptions.

The Talmudic scholars did NOT even mention, and did NOT limit the condemnation of homosexual acts to, “homosexual rape,” “temple prostitution,” pagan temples and/or religious activities!

Talmud -- Tractate Sanhedrin, Folio 54a

MISHNAH. HE WHO COMMITS SODOMY WITH A MALE OR A BEAST, AND A WOMAN THAT COMMITS BESTIALITY ARE STONED. . . . Our Rabbis taught: If a man lieth also with mankind, as the lyings of a woman,29 both of them have committed on abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them,]. . . [Note: All upper case appears in the original]

Sanhedrin 54b

This teaches the punishment: whence do we derive the formal prohibition? — From the verse, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.[sup]1[/sup] . . . whence do we know a formal prohibition for the person who permits himself thus to be abused? — Scripture saith: There shall be no sodomite of the sons of Israel:[sup]2[/sup] and it is further said, . . .

Now, he who [actively] commits pederasty, and also [passively] permits himself to be thus abused — R. Abbahu said: On R. Ishmael's view, he is liable to two penalties, one [for the injunction] derived from thou shalt not lie with mankind, and the other for [violating the prohibition,] There shall not be a Sodomite of the sons of Israel. . . .

for there shall be no Sodomite applies to sodomy with mankind. [sup]13[/sup] . . .

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Jewish Encyclopedia - Dog

The shamelessness of the dog in regard to sexual life gave rise to the name ("dog") for the class of priests in the service of Astarte who practised sodomy ("kedeshim," called also by the Greeks &#954;&#965;&#957;&#945;&#943;&#948;&#959;&#953;, Deut. xxiii. 19 [A. V. 18]; compare ib. 18 [17] and Rev. xxii. 15; see Driver ad loc.), . . .(see "C. I. S." i., No. 86).

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=415&letter=D

Jewish Encyclopedia - Chastity

(e) The unnatural crimes against chastity, sodomy and pederasty, prevalent in heathendom, were strictly prohibited (Lev. xviii. 22, 23; xx. 13, 15, 16; Deut. xxvii. 21).

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=386&letter=C

Jewish Encyclopedia - DIDACHE -

Dependence upon Jewish Custom.

2: "Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Ex. xx. 14). (This includes: "Thou shalt not commit sodomy nor fornication.") "Thou shalt not steal" (Ex. xx. 15). . . .

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=341&letter=D

Jewish Encyclopedia - Crime

In three cases the person on the point of committing a crime may be killed: where he pursues a neighbor in order to kill him; where he pursues a male to commit sodomy;

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=301&letter=L

Jewish Encyclopedia - The 613 Commandments,: 3347-53.

Adultery, sodomy, etc. Lev. Xviii. 7, 14, 20, 22, 23.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=689&letter=C​

The following citations document the interpretation by contemporary orthodox Judaism.

"We Can't Legitimate Homosexuality Halakhically" (USCJ Review, Spring 2004): Joel Roth

The two verses in the book of (Leviticus (18:22 and 20:13) which deal with homosexuality are really quite clear, despite the efforts of some to call their clarity into question. (Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 absolutely forbid homosexual intercourse between males. The Rabbis, in the Sifra (Aharei Mot 9:8), also understand the Torah to forbid lesbianism. The Torah&#8217;s prohibitions, let it be clear, are against actions, like male homosexual intercourse, not against fantasies or attractions.

The Torah and the Rabbis do not distinguish between types of homosexuals in any way... The Rabbis were well able to conceive of monogamous and loving relationships between members of the same sex, and I quote in my paper the texts that prove this beyond reasonable question. But their words cannot possibly be read to imply that such monogamous or loving gay relationships are in a different halakhic [Jewish legal] category than any other relationships between members of the same sex. The prohibition is clear and total.&#8221;​

http://www.uscj.org/POINTRoth6331.html

Naomi Grossman, freelance journalist, states in her April 2001 article in Moment Magazine, "The Gay Orthodox Undergound":

"The Torah strictly forbids homosexual sex, and rabbis have consistently upheld that prohibition through the ages... The prohibition against homosexual sex comes from Leviticus: 'Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abhorrence' (18:22). In biblical times, the punishment for violating that code was clear. 'If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death -&#8212; their bloodguilt is upon them' (Leviticus 20:13). The Talmud extends the prohibition to lesbian sex [Hilchot Issurei Bi'ah 21:8]."

Official Orthodoxy makes no distinction between the sex act, which the Torah flatly prohibits, and homosexuality as a sexual identity. "Homosexuality is not a state of being in traditional Judaism; it's an act," Freundel says. "Desires are &#8230; not relevant."​

http://members.aol.com/gayjews/moment.html​