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If you served in the military, or are currently serving, what is it like? How were you trained? What do you think of innocent human life? Anything else you want to say?

I'm asking because I really want to know the truth. . .and if I'm wrong, I will issue apologies to everyone whom I have insulted.
 

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Okay Susan! Good start there lady ~ I'll give you a 'B' on presentation, but it's a start ;)

I'm hoping that you'll receive responses from those who have, or are still serving, and I pray that it will help to re-educate from what you've learned before ;)

p.s. I'm proud of you for starting this thread. Good job!
 
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Susan, Thank you for the thoughtful consideration.

I am in the Coast Guard. Granted we don't get as much flak as the other services, but as far as training philosophies, they are all pretty much the same.

Boot camp is a training proccess in which everyone starts from ground zero and works their way up. It is the truly equalizing factor of the military. We are all "broken down" to be "built up".

The goal is to take everyone in a company of 40-150 kids and turn them into responsible and mentally equipped adults. It is a difficult mental atmosphere where you are basically told that you amount to nothing until you graduate.

You are punished for things beyond your control, and taught to depend greatly on those in your company. You are taught to be loyal to your shipmates and to revere authority. They can take a person who has never had structure of any kind in their life and teach them to march, eat, sleep, excercise, problem solve and work as a cohesive unit.

You are taught basic skills that you will use in the fleet and for the rest of your life. You are taught how to manage your time (sometimes to the second) to pay attention to detail (every detail :) ), and what you can accomplish both as a member of a team and as an individual. Everybody who goes to boot camp learns a lot about themselves, i.e. how to deal with stress, uncomfortable situations, and the importance of standing up for what's right.

In boot camp every aspect of your life is monitored, and you are held accountable for every action. You learn about the fundamental freedoms that you are swearing to protect and how to adopt the core values of our service Coast guard: Honor, Respect, Devotion to duty).

You are taught skills like seamanship and survival. You are taught how to use a gun effectively, and how to maintain composure and military bearing in stressful situations.

finally you are built up and taught about what an honor it is to serve the finest Nation the world has ever seen and to be part of your service (in my case, the finest sea going service in the world).

You are never taught that life is cheap, or taught to be desensatized to killing, you are just given the ability to cope with the stressful horror that war is.

you can ask anyone why they want to join the mlitary, and not 1 person will tell you because they want to kill people. When we get out of boot camp we are more overtaken with the sense of duty to die for our country, not to kill all who oppose it. We are sworn to protect and uphold the constitution.
 
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Thanks -^.^- and hey, I'm sorry for any accusations directed toward you.

What about other branches of the military though? I've always thought the Coast Guard was more like a police/emergency assistance agency too and was therefore "different" in the approach to human life. . .Oh well. LOL. I have a lot to learn. . .:p
 
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Susan,

You come about it innocently enough. Just keep in mind that as far as we are all concerned, any member of any service is a brother/sister, and I have worked closely with most every branch, and have had friends in each.

i have never met a anti-social, psycopathic killer in any of them.

So I am basing my conclusions about members of the military on experience... what you basing your conclusions on?
 
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Lets See..... Served U.S.M.C...... trained basically the same as coastie - and we were trained to defend ourselves...

what was it like - well - for most part its a job - the Military has job openings like everywhere else - electricians - computer people - cooks - etc etc etc.. the Marines say that every job though is second to being a grunt soldier.... you make lasting friendships as well as lasting impressions.. you also have a respect for your country and a want to defend it - even with your life... no one wants to up and die...


though your one question sounds like a bait - I'll still answer - Innocent lives are valued just like all life.. unfortuneately - some innocent lives are lost during a conflict.. The Military branches are not taught to go out and take lives indiscriminately... in War you look at everything.....

MY father-in-law was in the phillipines during WWII - they went into villages and 10 year olds had guns and tried to kill American Soldiers....... so you have to defend yourself..... I heard the same things happened in Viet Nam... some countrys teach or force their children to go out and kill... I never met anyone that joined the Military because they wanted to go out and kill people...

No-one wants to go and shoot another person - but they come to a point that when deployed - when shot at - you need to shoot back.
 
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*sigh*. You still don't quite understand, do you Susan. That statement wasn't meant as a slam hon, just an observation from your last comment.

Let me ask you this; was going into Kuwait to get Hussein out of there a noble cause? Or should we have let him run 'em over?

Was getting involved in WWII and helping to rid the world of a crazy-person like Hitler a noble thing to do?

Or would it have been better to let him run rampant? You see, this is where the disconnect is between you and me, I think. I'm trying to understand if you think those would be noble causes or not. If not, then it's okay to let evil dictatorship reign? I really do want to understand Susan. :)

I think there needs to be more responses. :)
 
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OK, then I will clarify my opinion.

I believe that starting armed conflict for questionable reasons and justifying it after the fact is morally questionable. Defending yourself against someone who is already attacking is one thing, but preemptive warfare is on rather shaky ground morally.

Did that help? :)
 
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How about the shell of an airliner they found? Duh! Only existed for one purpose, to teach those in various terrorists groups to hi-jack an airliner.

What of all the chemical stuff found recently?

The OP and this last post are an attempt at a one-two punch, you revealed yourself far too early.

I'd give you a decent reply to your OP but I'm pretty sure your mind is already made up, so I'm not walking into your ambush.

Tactics 101.

Dear girl, you are simply not on the "access roster" for this one, just as most of the population doesn't have a need-to-know a lot of stuf that I'm sure they do at very high levels.

A lot of times when they keep us in the dark it's for our own good.

Fact of life.

This is why a lot of people that join the military do. Like the Harley riders says, If I have to expalin you just don't get it. (not You! specifically, it's a saying).

http://www.goodolddogs.com/oldragged.html

and here:

http://www.goodolddogs.com/veteran.html
 
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Today at 05:48 PM Susan said this in Post #11


Defending yourself against someone who is already attacking is one thing, but preemptive warfare is on rather shaky ground morally.

When was it MORAL for the terrorists to attack us?

*First of all, we didn't commit the pre-emptive strike, the terrorists did.
*Secondly, regardless of what countries that supports terrorism, they have NO moral grounds other than using terrorism for religious reasons. Committing a religious war (terrorism) was NEVER been based on morality.
*Thirdly, war is dirty, regardless... the coaltion have done their darndest in a MORAL sense to not fight 'dirty' nor to harm innocent people, and yet the coalition have harmed the civilians (human shield), and they have been ambushed (suicide bombers). The coalition, in MY eyes, have fought fairly and with discrimination. But have the enemy? No.
*Fourthly,Would it have been MORAL for us to let the terrorists attack us, and we just roll over and play dead? I think not. "Turning the other cheek" is more on the personal level; but not on the national level. Therefore, we fight terrorism on a moral ground because it is our right to protect and defend our country.

I can see where you're coming in with the MORALITY of war...let me ask you:
if you had someone come up to you, and totally out of the blue, attacks you, how would you react, MORALLY? You'd defend yourself, because YOU have the MORAL grounds to defend yourself.

~loribee59
 
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Susan,

As I have said before, walk up to any veteran or active member of the Armed Forces and just say "Thank You". Its amazing what happens when you do!

 

 

To the members of the United States military past and present,

Thank You

 

David

 
 
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Today at 07:38 PM D.C said this in Post #14

Susan,

As I have said before, walk up to any veteran or active member of the Armed Forces and just say "Thank You". Its amazing what happens when you do!

 

 

To the members of the United States military past and present,

Thank You

 

David

 

I second that!

Thank you coastie, WayneH, thanks to my brother (U.S.M.C.), Pa Pa Joe (Navy). Pop Pop ( Navy) and all the Military. You are my heros! Thank you.
 
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"People are ignorant. They'll feel better as long as someone is punished."

:sigh: First of all, Iraq was NOT ever positively connected to 9-11. Osama bin Laden did that, and since we couldn't find him, we decided to go ahead with an already-written (before September 11th) plan to invade Iraq on the pretext of making the world a safer place.

And cenimo, I had no intent in this thread except to find out what members of the military did, believed, and do. If you want to assume otherwise, I can't change that, and I'm not one for propaganda and disinformation. Keeping people in the dark over things other than personal matters is not usually a good idea, and it is usually not done for generally altruistic motives.

DC, I am thankful-I'm just not supportive of wars unless there is a clear and present danger. As it is, this war with Iraq has almost scared North Korea into pulling out of the Armistice and sending a nuclear missile our way. As someone who lives in a potential target area and wants to work in another potential one someday, I really think we need to watch the warmongering lest we who live by the sword die by it.
 
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Susan: Do you have a TV ? If you do... turn it on. Maybe you will get a glimpse of what America has done. Iraq is liberated and loving it!

The anti-war group have egg on their face.

You try to speak as if you are concerned about others and therefore are against war. But your message comes through ... loud and clear!

It is yourself, and your own safety, that has you protesting.
 
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I have egg on my face? *mumble mumble* There. Now where's some more food, that wasn't enough. . . .

Sorry, couldn't resist. . .~.^

I am concerned for all of the people who live in the blast areas if we provoke NK too far. I don't relish the idea of having the skin cooked off of my bones, sure, but I am deeply grieved that it would happen to others.

Yes, I have a TV, and yes, I've seen the liberation. It's a wonderful thing, but the liberation of Afghanistan was wonderful too. . .only thing is, it was short-lived, and now the Taliban is coming back. My point is that we should look to the future, to the precedents we set, rather than to a few immediate scenes of good that we have done.
 
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Today at 10:08 PM Susan said this in Post #18
My point is that we should look to the future, to the precedents we set, rather than to a few immediate scenes of good that we have done.

And what precedents would that be???

America does not like to be messed with?

I can not see how that would be so bad. We had a reputation of being soft.

No wonder terrorist thought that we would be an easy target.

Look to the future?

I am a Christian... It is my belief that you must live each day to its fullest and the best of your abilities. If you do... then tomorrow will take care of itself... for tomorrow is in God's hands.

We only live in today.

Today is a good day for America!

God Bless the USA!
 
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