All Israel is saved

Buzz_B said:

And by that premature belief that now it is all written upon your heart you make yourself the Bible long before you have even reached perfection.

There is no more self-deceptive way of adding to the word of God than that.

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Where did I add to the Bible? Is not a goat a clean animal? how can it it be the loss?

Soar Like and Eagle said:

Where did I add to the Bible? Is not a goat a clean animal? how can it it be the loss?

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Your false premise:

Soar Like and Eagle said:

This is the difference between the Bible and the Word of God.

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We can be certain that Paul was far more spiritual and had the holy spirit speaking to him far more than any of us, yet he told Timothy: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God [to the writers of the Scriptures, NOT YOU], and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

You and the one called ClementofA, as well as many others, believe that the above quoted Scripture means that you have power by the Spirit to see beyond what the language grammar rules really allow, so that you stretch Scripture by what you think is inspiration of God given you enhancing your interpretive powers. And the effect is that You have made your own selves the Bible.

That is not how the holy Spirit works. It works as a remembrance producing force helping your mind to recall WHAT REALLY WAS WRITTEN BY INSPIRATION, aka the words of our Bible.

The gift of prophecy does not do that. The gift of prophecy in the church is about enhanced discernment based upon the eventual working out of ways and events the Bible itself prophesies about. Even the one with the gift of prophecy is rarely ever told anything that is not already prophesied about in Scripture. That gift for the church merely means that God has given the person a better understanding of the prophecies already written in the Bible so that they can call out those prophesies more correctly than most.

In no way do these imaginary extra ages qualify as Biblical truth. It clearly qualifies as going beyond the Scriptures. And that is how a person makes their own intelligence the Bible, replacing our real Bible.

genez said:

Satan and demons want to listen with great concentration too!

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Does not change a thing. They would be repenting in parts if their interest were in really seeing and learning to have truth. But their focus is on how to manipulate and create false perceptions that only appear to be truth, else things would not keep advancing from bad to worse as they have been and yet are.

Do you even care to think ahead of what you say before saying it? Or would you just rather believe you are right?

By the way ClementofA, there is ignorance which does not willfully ignore the holy spirit, doing so merely by unintentional mistake , and ignorance which does willfully ignore the holy spirit. Even our ignorance can blaspheme against the holy spirit.

Buzz_B said:

Your false premise:

We can be certain that Paul was far more spiritual and had the holy spirit speaking to him far more than any of us, yet he told Timothy: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God [to the writers of the Scriptures, NOT YOU], and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

You and the one called ClementofA, as well as many others, believe that the above quoted Scripture means that you have power by the Spirit to see beyond what the language grammar rules really allow, so that you stretch Scripture by what you think is inspiration of God given you enhancing your interpretive powers. And the effect is that You have made your own selves the Bible.

That is not how the holy Spirit works. It works as a remembrance producing force helping your mind to recall WHAT REALLY WAS WRITTEN BY INSPIRATION, aka the words of our Bible.

The gift of prophecy does not do that. The gift of prophecy in the church is about enhanced discernment based upon the eventual working out of ways and events the Bible itself prophesies about. Even the one with the gift of prophecy is rarely ever told anything that is not already prophesied about in Scripture. That gift for the church merely means that God has given the person a better understanding of the prophecies already written in the Bible so that they can call out those prophesies more correctly than most.

In no way do these imaginary extra ages qualify as Biblical truth. It clearly qualifies as going beyond the Scriptures. And that is how a person makes their own intelligence the Bible, replacing our real Bible.

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So if this is true why do you not respond to my post on the baby goat. You said you were Jewish and you understood Greek. So you know the language and the Law of Moses and my point is there is more here that meets the natural eye.

ANOINTED EYESIGHT:

"Anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." Revelation 3:18. "In that day the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness." Isaiah 29:18 & 19.

Much of the truth of God's Word has been obscured and enveloped in darkness by the traditional teachings of Christian Babylon. Those who desire to mature in their knowledge of God must not allow room in their thinking for any secondary power to be able to successfully defeat, frustrate or even delay God's plan of the ages, which is to head up ALL things in Christ. The more we see that God does not just allow, but that He is the actual cause of everything that comes into our life, the more Satan will be able to have no effect upon your mind. Satan is the negative handiwork of GOD and he can do only that which is the will of God in everything He does.

God does not merely allow all things to happen, He is the actual cause behind all things that happen. Whether He stand fast or whether we fall, both are equally a product of God's grace. When you come to know what God is really like it will stabilize your walk. Anointed eyesight does not see the negative as an ultimate end for anybody, but merely the means to an end of victory for everybody. God's method of winning souls is just the opposite of the evangelical method. The evangelical method is to make people sin-conscious. God's method is to not impute their trespasses unto them, but tell them that God has already been reconciled to them so "be ye reconciled to God." We can neither hasten nor delay God's timing for the processing of each person's salvation.

Neither can we hasten or delay the timing for the outworking of God's eonian purpose. Anointed eyes are able to see that everything is right on schedule all of the time. Anointed eyes can see that God has been, and is now processing His firstfruits of election to use them in the outworking of His plan to head up all things in Christ. Evangelical Babylon preys upon the minds of congregations with the esthetic force of their music and the emotional persuasion of their sermons, and they all fall into the ditch together. "Blind leaders of the blind," Jesus calls them, "for they have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof." Their eyes have been conditioned and blinded so they cannot see the truth. If congregations could see and understand what God is really like, most preachers would lose their power over their man-made kingdom that they have worked so hard to establish. But the anointed eyes can see that God is working out His purpose through evangelical Babylon IN SPITE OF THEMSELVES, for all Babylon is a golden cup in the hand of the Lord. Every sigh and every groan that comes from every heart is a prophecy that a time is coming when all creation shall be delivered from bondage to corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. There will be no one anywhere who will not experience the restoring power of God's love. There will be victory for everyone in all of God's judgements. This is the glorious truth that God anointed eyes can see. Oh I'm thinking, yes I'm thinking of the way that God doth lead, And the stirrings in my spirit that would now the message heed. When our eyes have been anointed by the blessed Spirit of truth,

And we see beyond the present with its pressures so uncouth. See how God will bring forth people to the glory of His Name Those who shall show forth His praises, nevermore to bring Him shame. Those in whom His soul delighted and in whom He is well pleased To become His habitation; truth and mercy are appeased. Of the old, no part remaining, none of Babylon's wanting score, For the new is far excelling where His grace aboundeth more. Glorious things of thee are spoken, Zion, city of our God Where the message is "becoming," messengers with peace are shed. Dawning of His day of power from the depths of mourning's womb, Now emerging from the stillness, see the sons dispel the gloom We are waiting for that hour when the Christ will sure appear And we sense within, the timing, that redemption draweth near. Eyes anointed pierce the darkness, past the bleakness of the night To declare with utmost courage that they see the victory's light. With the present kingdoms falling and confusion taking toll Yet we see His Kingdom bringing full salvation for each soul! Ray Prinzing

Pro. 25: 2

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter

Buzz_B said:

By the way ClementofA, there is ignorance which does not willfully ignore the holy spirit, doing so merely by unintentional mistake , and ignorance which does willfully ignore the holy spirit. Even our ignorance can blaspheme against the holy spirit.

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Talk about a message of doom and gloom and fear?

Buzz_B said:

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That one place is but a tell all sign, but instead of benefiting from having had one care enough to point it out to you, you will continue the lie that the holy spirit has replaced our Bibles by perfecting the word in you. There is no greater form of presumptuousness. That is the most arrogant form of presumptuousness.

You are so void of any real knowledge that you cannot even see that is the holy spirit which God is trying to write your hearts. All God law is really spiritual even as Paul told you in Romans chapter 7.

Therefore you are indeed making out as if that writing to your heart is perfected when you claim you have shifted beyond the written word by spirit.

Arrogance. Something only the man of sin-son of destruction would believe.

Too bad.

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BIG AMEN.....

Soar Like and Eagle said:

Talk about a message of doom and gloom and fear?

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I very much agree that it is for anyone who pridefully scoffs their way past having to listen to the holy spirit when God sends it to speak through ones as he did Philip to the Ethiopian Eunuch. Had that Ethiopian Eunuch scoffed at Phillip he may have perhaps did as he did Paul and Christ appear to him on the road somewhere in a blinding light.

But if you think Paul could not have refused Jesus even then you are wrong. For he could have been as those who feared it was a demonic apparition. And even though Paul speaks about the basis of God's willingness to forgive him being his ignorance, we know it was Paul's willingness to repent which allowed God to do so. Ponder that willingness as must be involved as shown in John 5:32-40.

Then we can discuss that necessary willingness further.

Soar Like and Eagle said:

So if this is true why do you not respond to my post on the baby goat. You said you were Jewish and you understood Greek. So you know the language and the Law of Moses and my point is there is more here that meets the natural eye.

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Not that is not connected for us somewhere in the written word of God, our Bibles. All things spiritually represented can be learned about somewhere in our Bibles. We pull nothing out of our own heads like thin air. Discernment is the culmination of knowledge gathered to wisdom. A totally different kind of thing than you guys are presenting. You are stretching the reality.

Edit: I should amend that to say, "Not that is not connected for us somewhere in the written word of God, our Bibles when correctly translated." For we have to weed out our translative errors. But we can get into trouble there also. Just because we take something apart that was put together incorrectly does not guarantee we will be able to put it back together correctly. We may even make it worse if we are not extremely humble and careful about our true abilities and/or gifts.

I will ponder your post 406 a bit before commenting on it.

Buzz_B said:

I very much agree that it is for anyone who pridefully scoffs their way past having to listen to the holy spirit when God sends it to speak through ones as he did Philip to the Ethiopian Eunuch. Had that Ethiopian Eunuch scoffed at Phillip he may have perhaps did as he did Paul and Christ appear to him on the road somewhere in a blinding light.

But if you think Paul could not have refused Jesus even then you are wrong. For he could have been as those who feared it was a demonic apparition. And even though Paul speaks about the basis of God's willingness to forgive him being his ignorance, we know it was Paul's willingness to repent which allowed God to do so. Ponder that willingness as must be involved as shown in John 5:35-40.

Then we can discuss that necessary willingness further.

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Willing??? Paul was far from willing. Talk about being drawn/forced. John 6:44 Paul was blinded for three days fell to the ground does not sound to willing to me. Acts 9.

Buzz_B said:

Not that is not connected for us somewhere in the written word of God, our Bibles. All things spiritually represented can be learned about somewhere in our Bibles. We pull nothing out of our own heads like thin air. Discernment is the culmination of knowledge gathered to wisdom. A totally different kind of thing than you guys are presenting. You are stretching the reality.

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Hogwash. I have never done that. Show me an example.

Soar Like and Eagle said:

So if this is true why do you not respond to my post on the baby goat. You said you were Jewish and you understood Greek. So you know the language and the Law of Moses and my point is there is more here that meets the natural eye.

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You will have to remind me of the post number. One gets too swamped by so many coming at them to get to everything when what they speak is unpopular. That is part of the flood in Rev 12.

Buzz_B said:

Not that is not connected for us somewhere in the written word of God, our Bibles. All things spiritually represented can be learned about somewhere in our Bibles. We pull nothing out of our own heads like thin air. Discernment is the culmination of knowledge gathered to wisdom. A totally different kind of thing than you guys are presenting. You are stretching the reality.

Edit: I should amend that to say, "Not that is not connected for us somewhere in the written word of God, our Bibles when correctly translated." For we have to weed out our translative errors. But we can get into trouble there also.

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I really do not believe you have any faith in God's Spirit or you could boldly address simple things like the baby goat in Matthew 25. This is a scriptural fact I am posting but it totally against your bias so you do not address it.

Soar Like and Eagle said:

Hogwash. I have never done that. Show me an example.

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What kind of soap do you use to wash hogs? One never knows, I may have to wash a hog someday.

Buzz_B said:

You will have to remind me of the post number. One gets too swamped by so many coming at them to get to everything when what they speak is unpopular. That is part of the flood in Rev 12.

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Here it is again: Matt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats:

Many are assuming a goat is a non believer, all it is your assumption, look at the Greek; I see a goat as an immature believer (baby goat); who are separated because of their spiritual immaturity. Many are mature in their little religious box; but are immature spiritually; they have that immature goat nature.

Where on the other hand a goat or the Greek word (eriphos or kid; baby goat) So I see it as God separating his Sheep mature from His immature kids; spiritually speaking)
NT:2056 ἐρίφων eriphōn 2056 a young goat


On the other hand a goat is also a clean animal, now if you the verse referred to a pig or unclean animal I would agree with the traditional teaching. A pig would be a great example of the unjust/heathen; but a goat was used all though out the OT as a sacrificial animal’ so how can it be the unjust? (scrape goat); and why would God burn up a baby goat in everlasting fire; what did the baby goat do?

Actually nothing; the unqualified and unjust and bias translators obvious made a grave error in the word everlasting and should of translated it ages (NT:166 Aionios). The word means ages; limit duration. The has happen a number of times in scripture and can be easily proven by the context of the verse.

But according to these bias translators God is going to send a baby goat to everlasting fire.

Matt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels


So many of God’s people are goats and all they eat is garbage; in other words damnable heresies or heresies of damnation/condemnations/ all those heresies that condemn people to torture.


Is not a goat a clean animal; how can a goat be the unsaved; the unsaved are defiled; Jesus was a Jew and knew all the clean and unclean animal. So you are saying we should throw away all the OT types and dismiss them and replace them with bias Christian assumptions?

Buzz_B said:

What kind of soap do you use to wash hogs? One never knows, I may have to wash a hog someday.

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That would be an unclean soup according to the law of Moses.

Soar Like and Eagle said:

I really do not believe you have any faith in God's Spirit or you could boldly address simple things like the baby goat in Matthew 25. This is a scriptural fact I am posting but it totally against your bias so you do not address it.

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The only problem is that you don't want to know if I do or I don't.

I don't mind. It isn't me anyone has to worry about.

Buzz_B said:

The only problem is that you don't want to know if I do or I don't.

I don't mind. It isn't me anyone has to worry about.

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I disagree. To much faith in language. My Grandfather was a Greek Orthodox priest he had the same issue.