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Apparently there is at stake a much deeper evil/ false teaching of the devil repenting, or the anti-christ (if a person) being saved as if Yahweh's Word and Plan and Purpose could be broken.
i.e. it is not going to be resolved here in this thread, apparently, nor can it be.
Yet notice that God’s word did not fail in the end. Nineveh was ultimately judged for their wickedness and was completely and utterly destroyed.
God reserves the right to postpone a judgement, to rescue people out of a judgement, or to preserve people through a judgement. This all happens at His discretion.
That doesn’t invalidate bible prophecy....
Back to 'the point', no, that is not the problem (for Ekklesia). (perhaps for Jonah, along with other problems)Jonah said "you will not do what you say you will do", and in the end he is proven right. That is the problem.
Back to 'the point', no, that is not the problem (for Ekklesia). (perhaps for Jonah, along with other problems)
No, "in the end he is proven right", is wrong. Jonah was wrong.
Yahweh is right.
Yahweh does as He Pleases, and no one who puts their life and trust and relies on Him is ever disappointed. Jonah had other things in mind instead of trusting Yahweh.
No, I don't agree with this in more ways than one.You are not actually replying to my points... perhaps because you have not read them?
This thread is about the fulfillment of prophecy. If one says the prophecy about Nineveh being destroyed was fulfilled, one opens the door to other things "being fulfilled" in equally non-literal, non-apparent ways.
No, I don't agree with this in more ways than one.
What is the purpose of stating something like that anyway ?
"can be interpreted" that way, but not truthfully.Therefore all prophecies in (for example) the book of Revelation can be interpreted as dependent on human factors.
Many ways. Yahweh made everything simple, yet men keep coming up with many devices.How many different ways can I say it ?
(For the benefit of those who have not been reading closely, or who cannot grasp the concepts of pilpul and thought-experiments, I do not believe the antichrist will actually survive the battle of Armageddon. There is actually a really easy way to harmonize the two apparent types of prophecy, but I don't expect most would care or agree.)
I'm enjoying your posts - so please tell how do you harmonize the two apparent types of prophecy?
(I have my own thoughts about this, but I'm curious what you've come up with!)
Interesting point about Nineveh. And especially considering Nineveh has a purpose in the future as well:Well for me, there is no contradiction as I believe all things have been determined from the beginning.
So God never intended to destroy Nineveh, he intended to threaten its destruction and make them repent.
This is due to my belief in predestination. Someone who believes in unchecked free will would have problems explaining why (f.ex) the antichrist is "destined" to do what he will do, while Nineveh's destiny (destruction) apparently was diverted by human repentance.
As I recall, Chuck Missler is one who is at least consistent with his belief in free will, namely he believes the antichrist might conceivably do things other than what is prophesied.
Interesting point about Nineveh. And especially considering Nineveh has a purpose in the future as well:
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
I am thinking the primary purpose of the prophets was/is to warn people to make them repent.
People like to argue for free will, but Paul seems to preach against it in Romans 9.
But, could we have free will and there be predestination? Because God Was, and Is and Is To Come, He sees the beginning to the end, so He knows what we will do with our free will, and what we have done with our free will. God hardened Pharaoh's heart, but Pharaoh also hardened his own heart - God would've known that Pharaoh would harden his own heart, so maybe God helped him along with it?
Then again, it's not about us. It is about God and His purposes, and His plans and like it's written:
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
That is pretty straight forward.
You haven't derailed the thread. I did ask in the OP -I don't want to derail your thread so I'll just give a very brief reply.
Since we agree God does as he pleases, there is no need for him to predestine "what would have happened anyway."
Personally I believe God wouldn't predestine "what would have happened anyway" as nothing can happen without him.
God already knows what he will do and what they will do...
You haven't derailed the thread. I did ask in the OP -
Do all prophecies have to be fulfilled?
People talk a lot about end times and how this has to be fulfilled/take place, and that has to be fulfilled/take place before Yeshua returns - but is it true?
And since you believe in predestination, I gather your answer is "yes".
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