Aliens

[SuperSaint4GodDBZStyle]

Well the Bible uses the word "Ghost". Everyone has personal opinion.

 

[WormwoodDreams]

With all that space in the Universe and we are the only ones? Yeah right

 

[MoonlessNight]

With all that space in the Universe and we are the only ones? Yeah right

Which only works if you assume that not only the creation of life but everything necessary for the creation of life is a random process that has a relatively high chance of happening. (What I mean is, sure, it doesn't have to be hardly anything to suspect more life out there, but if this whole chain of events was so unlikely as to happen once in the lifetime of twenty billion universes, you certainly couldn't say that life out there was an almost certain probablity).

 

[MarcusHill]

Which only works if you assume that not only the creation of life but everything necessary for the creation of life is a random process that has a relatively high chance of happening.

Exactly. The Drake Equation gives a format for calculating the probability of intelligent alien life, but since we can only make educated guesses at the values of the various probabilities contained therein, we can't say for sure whether the probability is near zero, near one or somewhere in between. The number of stars is finite (just very large), so it's entirely possible to get a very small probability for alien life if one or more of the probability values in the equation are themselves very small.

 

[SuperSaint4GodDBZStyle]

Which only works if you assume that not only the creation of life but everything necessary for the creation of life is a random process that has a relatively high chance of happening. (What I mean is, sure, it doesn't have to be hardly anything to suspect more life out there, but if this whole chain of events was so unlikely as to happen once in the lifetime of twenty billion universes, you certainly couldn't say that life out there was an almost certain probablity).

What anime is your avatar from?

 

[MoonlessNight]

What anime is your avatar from?

Keroro Gunsou aka Sgt. Frog. It's recently been liscenced by ADV Films but they haven't given it a release date yet.

 

[SuperSaint4GodDBZStyle]

I've never heard of that. What kind of action cartoon is it? Magic or Sword fighting? Do they have aliens in it? lol joking.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I've never heard of that. What kind of action cartoon is it? Magic or Sword fighting? Do they have aliens in it? lol joking.

In fact there are lots of aliens in it. Five of the main characters are a (poor) invasion force from another world, several more recurring characters are aliens, and there are tons of one shot alien characters.

It is a comedy which does make a lot of references to other anime, though the actual humor and plots are usually self contained (i.e. entire parody episodes are rare, though episodes based off frequent anime situations are common).

I sometimes compare it to Invader Zim, but it is much more lighthearted than that series. A lot of the situations are somewhat similar however, and the "new invasion plot that would never really work" is a common episode in both. The main difference here is that the invaders in Keroro are in most ways good and likeable characters that have just happened to have been ordered to take over the world.

In that comparison the character in my anime, Fuyuki, would be the equivalent of Dib because he has an interest in the paranormal, is pretty much a loser because of it, and he knows that the aliens exist and sometimes stops their plans. The big difference here is that Fuyuki thinks that it is awesome that aliens are on earth and wants to be their friends, rather than being paranoid or hostile to them. When he does stop their plans it's more in a chastising way ("you know better than to try to conquer the world!") Also he has an actual love interest, but this being an anime he is too oblivious to realize it.

 

[Blackmarch]

Are they real?

Of course.

 

[MarcusHill]

They're real and they've performed an act of thread necromancy!

 

[Blackmarch]

They're real and they've performed an act of thread necromancy!

hmmm he's on to us...

 

[ApollotheLizard]

Have I already posted here? Oh well.

No, I believe extra-terrestrial life is a falsehood. It doesn't fit into Christian theology. Think about it.

 

[Blackmarch]

Have I already posted here? Oh well.

No, I believe extra-terrestrial life is a falsehood. It doesn't fit into Christian theology. Think about it.

I don't study orthodox christianity very deeply so I would not know how it would contradict that. But I don't find anything biblical that makes much contradiction for life being elsewhere.

 

[GuitarHero2]

The real question is... how can anybody be sure? I though think that the possibilty is fairly strong. Just look at the millions of stars in the sky. Who knows each star could maybe be some distant unknown solar system such as the one we live in. It's hard to believe that we'd be the only living things in such a void as space. There is no way to know being were frankly so far away and isolated from everything happening outside our solar system. The farthest a human's ever been is the Moon. It would take a life time and more to reach the nearest star. We just don't have the resources to know such things. The UFO incidents bring up speculation but it's still impossible to offically confirm the existance of aliens. I though wouldn't be suprised if they happened to exist out there. There are just so many what ifs and variables to consider. So far there is no solid proof.

 

[Blackmarch]

The real question is... how can anybody be sure? I though think that the possibilty is fairly strong. Just look at the millions of stars in the sky. Who knows each star could maybe be some distant unknown solar system such as the one we live in. It's hard to believe that we'd be the only living things in such a void as space. There is no way to know being were frankly so far away and isolated from everything happening outside our solar system. The farthest a human's ever been is the Moon. It would take a life time and more to reach the nearest star. We just don't have the resources to know such things. The UFO incidents bring up speculation but it's still impossible to offically confirm the existance of aliens. I though wouldn't be suprised if they happened to exist out there. There are just so many what ifs and variables to consider. So far there is no solid proof.

Well apart from having a close encounter of the 3rd kind there isn't a for sure way.. however I find it highly likely using a few different lines of logic and some things both in science and on the religious side (extrabiblical).

 

[ApollotheLizard]

I mean, why would God not let us know right off? Did they have an "Adam and Eve" who doomed their worlds to sin? Or are they perfect, like Garden of Eden worlds? Did Jesus Christ die for them as well? On their planets? Or only once, on ours? It wouldn't make much sense, I don't think. Perhaps God created the Universe to share with all of us, to demonstrate His might and power.

 

[Citanul]

I mean, why would God not let us know right off?

Why would He let us know right off? Remember that the Bible was written by people who had no real knowledge of planets and outer space. There's no reason for the Bible to mention aliens just as there's no reason for it to mention nuclear physics.

Did they have an "Adam and Eve" who doomed their worlds to sin?

There's no reason why they couldn't have had an equivalent. But there are a number of differing view on whether Adam and Eve existed (and this isn't the place to debate them), so it's not really the best argument to use against the existence of aliens.

Did Jesus Christ die for them as well? On their planets?

Once again, there's no reason why there couldn't have been an equivalent. The process probably would have been different, but the there could have been an alien saviour who provided the means of redemption.

Perhaps God created the Universe to share with all of us, to demonstrate His might and power.

But why couldn't "all of us" include alien races? I don't know if there are alien races, but there's certainly no physical evidence that there aren't, and I haven't found anything scriptural which states they couldn't exist.

 

[Blackmarch]

I mean, why would God not let us know right off? Did they have an "Adam and Eve" who doomed their worlds to sin? Or are they perfect, like Garden of Eden worlds? Did Jesus Christ die for them as well? On their planets? Or only once, on ours? It wouldn't make much sense, I don't think. Perhaps God created the Universe to share with all of us, to demonstrate His might and power.

Welll I believe God let abraham know... at least to the extent of there being more earths than there are sands in the sea. Would they have an adam and eve? no idea.
whether or noyt htey did, my opinion would be that Christ's sacrifice would cover other worlds as wwell.

 

[wiggbuggie]

one thing christians always say whenever aliens are discussed is how sin and Jesus's death on the cross effects them. Well i had a though a while ago maybe aliens dont need to be saved. What if aliens (if they even exist) are animals God created?

 

[ApollotheLizard]

Hm. Never thought of that. *slaps head*

Citanul, by Savior, do you mean another Son of God? That would falseify The Trinity. If the Savior wasn't God Himself, it wouldn't have the same impact.