Aliens disagree whether you should believe in Zargob or just be Bondo: problem?

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So there are these aliens - from planet Dislo say, over on the west-west-south of the universe - and they have this dispute. And the dispute goes like this: should you believe in Zargob. Now Zargob is basically a personification of the magnetic force, like worshipped gods are on almost every world - something to do with the proliferation of connection with decisions made in the spirit of whatever alien it happens to be, say. The thing is there are aliens on Dislo that understand how the magnetic force works in enough contexts (two say) to be fairly confident that becoming the personification of this force is neither here nor there, so... they say it is better to be Bondo.

Now Bondoness is not to be impartial, though you might be, nor is it to be assertively against Zargob, though people do speak up against him. Rather it is to have the attitude "whatever happens happens", or as the aliens of Dislo say "whenever passes passes". The thing is that there are some aliens on Dislo in genuine need, not to mention the fact that worshiping nothing - which again is bad for every alien, really - is bad for aliens anyway and worshiping Zargob has the effect of linking these aliens of Dislo around a common fate of magnetically affected togetherness - which because of the effect of the conservation of energy, which happens on every world, has the effect of uniting the aliens, around needs or whatever else.

So there is this fallout, between the aliens that want to worship Zargob and the aliens that want to be Bondo. Is there a problem with this dispute? If even one alien goes without their genuine needs being met, can we say that the dispute has had no effect on the health of the planet (Dislo)? And does it matter if ultimately the ones that worshiped Zargob go to a place of perfectly magnetic centrality and the ones that were Bondo simply cease to exist?

I guess what I am saying is "forget that I believe in God, more than say, the next guy - is not believing anything even a problem?"

And if Zargob was Bondo? What would that change?

 

[Davian]

"If only there were some way that we could discredit atheism, so that our god would pop into existence" - an unknown religionist

 

[jacknife]

Hi there,

So there are these aliens - from planet Dislo say, over on the west-west-south of the universe - and they have this dispute. And the dispute goes like this: should you believe in Zargob. Now Zargob is basically a personification of the magnetic force, like worshipped gods are on almost every world - something to do with the proliferation of connection with decisions made in the spirit of whatever alien it happens to be, say. The thing is there are aliens on Dislo that understand how the magnetic force works in enough contexts (two say) to be fairly confident that becoming the personification of this force is neither here nor there, so... they say it is better to be Bondo.

Now Bondoness is not to be impartial, though you might be, nor is it to be assertively against Zargob, though people do speak up against him. Rather it is to have the attitude "whatever happens happens", or as the aliens of Dislo say "whenever passes passes". The thing is that there are some aliens on Dislo in genuine need, not to mention the fact that worshiping nothing - which again is bad for every alien, really - is bad for aliens anyway and worshiping Zargob has the effect of linking these aliens of Dislo around a common fate of magnetically affected togetherness - which because of the effect of the conservation of energy, which happens on every world, has the effect of uniting the aliens, around needs or whatever else.

So there is this fallout, between the aliens that want to worship Zargob and the aliens that want to be Bondo. Is there a problem with this dispute? If even one alien goes without their genuine needs being met, can we say that the dispute has had no effect on the health of the planet (Dislo)? And does it matter if ultimately the ones that worshiped Zargob go to a place of perfectly magnetic centrality and the ones that were Bondo simply cease to exist?

I guess what I am saying is "forget that I believe in God, more than say, the next guy - is not believing anything even a problem?"

And if Zargob was Bondo? What would that change?

what is this????

 

[Gottservant]

"If only there were some way that we could discredit atheism, so that our god would pop into existence" - an unknown religionist

An apt quote, I suppose.

Though not for more than obstinately contradicting a premise of simple belief.

Rather over the top, in that sense, wouldn't you say?

 

[Davian]

An apt quote, I suppose.

Though not for more than obstinately contradicting a premise of simple belief.

Rather over the top, in that sense, wouldn't you say?

Not if it is addressing an accumulated straw-man of disbelief.

 

[Gottservant]

Not if it is addressing an accumulated straw-man of disbelief.

You are actively deafening yourself to the dilemma then?

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

Hi there,

So there are these aliens - from planet Dislo say, over on the west-west-south of the universe - and they have this dispute. And the dispute goes like this: should you believe in Zargob. Now Zargob is basically a personification of the magnetic force, like worshipped gods are on almost every world - something to do with the proliferation of connection with decisions made in the spirit of whatever alien it happens to be, say. The thing is there are aliens on Dislo that understand how the magnetic force works in enough contexts (two say) to be fairly confident that becoming the personification of this force is neither here nor there, so... they say it is better to be Bondo.

Now Bondoness is not to be impartial, though you might be, nor is it to be assertively against Zargob, though people do speak up against him. Rather it is to have the attitude "whatever happens happens", or as the aliens of Dislo say "whenever passes passes". The thing is that there are some aliens on Dislo in genuine need, not to mention the fact that worshiping nothing - which again is bad for every alien, really - is bad for aliens anyway and worshiping Zargob has the effect of linking these aliens of Dislo around a common fate of magnetically affected togetherness - which because of the effect of the conservation of energy, which happens on every world, has the effect of uniting the aliens, around needs or whatever else.

So there is this fallout, between the aliens that want to worship Zargob and the aliens that want to be Bondo. Is there a problem with this dispute? If even one alien goes without their genuine needs being met, can we say that the dispute has had no effect on the health of the planet (Dislo)? And does it matter if ultimately the ones that worshiped Zargob go to a place of perfectly magnetic centrality and the ones that were Bondo simply cease to exist?

I guess what I am saying is "forget that I believe in God, more than say, the next guy - is not believing anything even a problem?"

And if Zargob was Bondo? What would that change?

First of all, I must say; you do come up with some of the most interesting posts. I see some whimsy in your imagination, and it's delightful

I had to re-read this a few times, but if I'm to understand correctly, are you implying that on this world of Dislo, those who choose to remain Bondo have no effect (directly or indirectly) on the individuals who worship Zargob? Do the aliens see and understand this Zargob, and simply choose to ignore it, or do they view the idea of worshiping Zargob as somehow harmful to their existence?

 

[Davian]

You are actively deafening yourself to the dilemma then?

A false dilemma makes no noise.

 

[keith99]

The Gostak Distims the Doshes!

 

[Received]

"If only there were some way that we could discredit atheism, so that our god would pop into existence" - an unknown religionist

Yeesh, almost gives you chills.

 

[Gottservant]

First of all, I must say; you do come up with some of the most interesting posts. I see some whimsy in your imagination, and it's delightful

I had to re-read this a few times, but if I'm to understand correctly, are you implying that on this world of Dislo, those who choose to remain Bondo have no effect (directly or indirectly) on the individuals who worship Zargob? Do the aliens see and understand this Zargob, and simply choose to ignore it, or do they view the idea of worshiping Zargob as somehow harmful to their existence?

People who are Bondo have no effect on those who worship Zargob, because they fundamentally don't change.

So in a way a way I guess, the answer is Mu.

I just thought that for all people's desire to be Bondo, someone might ask what difference does it make to Zargob?

 

[Inkfingers]

I think someone has killed my Babel fish...

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

People who are Bondo have no effect on those who worship Zargob, because they fundamentally don't change.

So in a way a way I guess, the answer is Mu.

I just thought that for all people's desire to be Bondo, someone might ask what difference does it make to Zargob?

I think it would be helpful if I were to know more about the "person" of Zargob...what is s/he like? Also, is it assumed that Zargob created Dislo? Because I don't believe that has been established either. And if so, why was it necessary to do so?

Basically, Zargob is a personification of a "magnetic force" which has the ultimate capability to join all aliens together. Is this "magnetic force" an allegorical "love"? Because I think that would be the key to answering your question as well: does Zargob desire to join the people of Dislo together, or is joining together in a magnetic bond merely a bi-product of worshiping him/her/it?

 

[terryjohn]

How do you know these things?

 

[Gottservant]

I think it would be helpful if I were to know more about the "person" of Zargob...what is s/he like? Also, is it assumed that Zargob created Dislo? Because I don't believe that has been established either. And if so, why was it necessary to do so?

Basically, Zargob is a personification of a "magnetic force" which has the ultimate capability to join all aliens together. Is this "magnetic force" an allegorical "love"? Because I think that would be the key to answering your question as well: does Zargob desire to join the people of Dislo together, or is joining together in a magnetic bond merely a bi-product of worshiping him/her/it?

Yes Zargob is love.

But people who are Bondo efface love, in favour of divine pleasure.

It is an inter-alien hypocrisy that divides the world of Dislo that Zargob created.

The thing is, there is no reason to believe Bondo people will ever actually help the people Zargob created, because they would rather enjoy His divine pleasure as if He is not there (in the flesh).

So people worship Zargob and they realize their Bondo pleasure has been selfish.

The question is what difference should this make to whether you are Bondo or a worshipper of Zargob (if you are on Dislo)?

 

[Gottservant]

How do you know these things?

I'm just supposing there are atheists elsewhere in the universe.

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

Yes Zargob is love.

But people who are Bondo efface love, in favour of divine pleasure.

It is an inter-alien hypocrisy that divides the world of Dislo that Zargob created.

The thing is, there is no reason to believe Bondo people will ever actually help the people Zargob created, because they would rather enjoy His divine pleasure as if He is not there (in the flesh).

So people worship Zargob and they realize their Bondo pleasure has been selfish.

The question is what difference should this make to whether you are Bondo or a worshipper of Zargob (if you are on Dislo)?

Perhaps to benefit the planet in the form of energy conservation? You did say "...because of the effect of the conservation of energy, which happens on every world, has the effect of uniting the aliens, around needs or whatever else."

So the "worshiper aliens" recognize the importance of unifying the world of Dislo around Zargob, but the Bondos don't see it that way. The "Zargobians" may try to convince the Bondos of this importance, but it still doesn't matter.

I would venture to say that over time, if less and less aliens are able to join the Zargobians, eventually the world will cease to exist due to lack of energy. While this notion might frighten the Zargobians, it means nothing to the Bondos. Does this Zargob have a plan in place in the event that the planet Dislo becomes dangerous and inhabitable?

I would also ask if there is anything at all that does matter to the Bondos if they're not interested in conservation of energy, nor are they interested in perfect magnetic centrality. Perhaps they see these as either bad things or improbable concepts? Perhaps they can think of alternate ways to conserve energy and become "magnetically centered" as it were...?