Alcoholics and Addicts Discussion/Support Thread

[Protinus]

As a new moderator...please, give me a chance to catch up and contribute!!

Peace be with you,
JP

 

[Protinus]

No, you are still wrong and misinformed. You need to go much deeper than the two links you gave me. Check out this link: http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/aaroots.html

There are also some books listed at the bottom of the page which you could check out that digs much deeper into the history of the Oxford Group and early AA.



Ha! I was wondering when an AA defender would post the infamous Life Recovery/Serenity Bible/Alcoholic's Victorious "scriptural" steps. Lion of God, the use of scripture with the "12 steps" came after the creation of the "12 steps". Just when do you think the so called Serenity Bible and Life Recovery Bible came out? The scripture applied to the 12 Steps is Christianity's attempt at making the steps more "biblical". Just why do you think groups like Alcoholic's Victorious, Celebrate Recovery, and other such Christian addiction support groups came out?

One more thing- If the above scripture was really indeed used by Bill Wilson, Bob Smith, Shoemaker, etc. to create condensed "steps" to God, why didn't they use them anywhere in AA literature? For example, I have read Pass it on and other AA early history literature. There was never any mention of scripture.



Really? What about the AA famous line "AA is a butt-saving program and not a soul-saving program"? Why the generic use of god? I had people worshipping trees in one of the meetings I attended. Lion of God, the majority of meetings I attended in AA were all about the steps with hardly any importance placed on the One True God. People were offended when I brought Him up. This was a common theme I came up against in not one particular meeting in AA but many.



I agree with some of what you wrote above. I will comment on what you stated towards the bottom of the above quote. First of all, AA is not a body of believers. While I am certain that some are believers, the majority of them are not. I do feel, as do you, that it is always worthwhile and a matter of responsibility to further the Kingdom of God. The furthering of the Kingdom can occur in AA. I've seen it. That is definitely not a bad thing at all, however, I also think we have the responsibility to adequately and truthfully proclaim the Kingdom of God. A question for you: Are we doing that by portraying the "steps" as an accurate representation of scripture? And, are we doing that by allowing God to be portrayed as a "thing" or allowing paganism to thrive around us? What do you think is your responsibility in that respect? Is it possible we could be doing more harm than good?



Wow. "The Steps are the condensed version of the path to God". Gee, I thought Jesus was the only path to God. Lion of God, your statement is exactly why I speak out against the "12 steps" now.



According to you, the "steps" are much more than a process. Again, they are not outlined in the Bible.



Yes, a raw newcome is also more than likely not a Christian. If you will notice, most of what I have written pertains to the Christian. My writings on our Identity in Christ is a truth which most Christians, especially alcoholics/addicts, have no idea about. Getting this Truth is becoming very effective with Christian brothers and sisters who are struggling with the sin issue of addiction (as well as other sin issues). Many churches have classes/groups on this subject and no "steps" are used.

In terms of the non-believer alcoholic/addict, it is very important that they quit. While I have many problems with AA and the steps, I am not so blind that I would state that AA does not work. The fact of the matter is that it does. I have never stated that AA is not effective in getting a person to quit or to even stay quit. Bill Wilson himself once stated that AA is "spiritual kindergarten". My problems with AA have to do with the larger picture- the soul.



Yes, no real problem with this. I use this type of tact myself when I am witnessing to any non-believer.



Again, no real problem with the majority of what you wrote here. Peer to peer confession is Biblical and healing. I would not call God just a "power" though, but I do understand what you mean.



Yes, some cool things happened to me in AA, but it was in spite of AA that I became a Christian. I will also agree with you on your point that my attendance in AA was part of God's sovereign will for me.



No. Nice try though. If it was part of God's sovereign will for me to attend AA, it is equally part of God's sovereign will that I have come to see the problems and issues surrounding AA and the 12 Steps. I was told several times and by several people that I wouldn't make it in "recovery" if I left AA. This reliance upon AA (a thing and not God) is a big problem. Again, it just reeks of works.

So, does AA work, in terms of helping an individual to quit their addiction? Sure, it definitely does. AA is even pretty successful at this. I don't deny it. You know what really bothers me and is one reason which lead me to where I am at? I observed that Christian brothers and sisters generally have a harder time staying sober than non-believers. I began to wonder why this was. I also observed how so many people in AA were generally so unhappy with their lives even with a lot of time in sobriety. I began to wonder why this was. It seems to me that one can be quit from alcohol and yet feel not free at all. All of this lead me to studying about our Identity in Christ.

There comes a time when no amount of "steps" are enough. There comes a time when works just don't cut it anymore. The only true freedom we can have in this world from any sin or difficulty is to recognize that Jesus Christ already conquered it on the Cross at Calvary. Believing in this is true freedom indeed!

Blessings,

SOTK

SOTK: you know that recidivism is high in AA, despite creed, denomination, color whatever. What is your point?? You could be making a case for the 12 step program and you resort to this??

 

[SOTK]

sdmsanjose to SOTK 6-24-06

SOTK
Thank you for your reponse.

No problem, my friend. I am happy to talk about this.

So if my son "Rests in God" he will be taking action that is from the spirit, right?

Yes. Resting in God means allowing His helper to work in us to bear fruit. If we Rest in God and allow the Holy Spirit to work in us, the action we take will be of God and will bear much good and righteous fruit as we will have the "Mind of Christ".

What my son can do for his part is to:
" My answer is simply to rest in God. Look to Him for strength, meaning, and purpose. I have done this and continue to do this by praying, meditating, reading His Word, and being active within my Church. I get up on a daily basis and remind myself that I am in Christ. I am no longer of the World. Christ conquered sin, and I am free in Him!"

Am I understanding correctly?

I think so. What I have referred to above are the Spiritual Disciplines. I am also referring to attitude and perspective. I attempt to allow myself on a daily basis to act from the Truth that I am righteous in Christ. If I remind myself that this is the Truth, my action(s) will come out of who I am in Him. In other words, I will have the "Mind of Christ" and every action which I perform will be righteous and good. Do I sometimes forget who I am? Yes, I freely admit that I do. I haven't slipped in terms of drinking, but I have acted out of my flesh in other ways although this is occuring less and less.

Does that answer your question?

Blessings,

SOTK

 

[SOTK]

SOTK: you know that recidivism is high in AA, despite creed, denomination, color whatever. What is your point?? You could be making a case for the 12 step program and you resort to this??

Hi, Protinus.

I thought my point(s) were self-evident. The only case I will make is the case for God and His Word. Reliance upon anything other than God, His Son, His Helper, or His Word is detrimental to one's recovery, peace, and soul.

Look, I realize that what I am saying is unpopular and hard to hear, but hasn't that always been the case when it comes to Truth? Seriously, please take a look at what I am saying. I know that what I am saying about AA and the Steps is coming across as attacking, but I am honestly trying to be helpful and to speak truthfully.

Blessings,

SOTK

 

[SOTK]

Hello SOTK,
This is Christian79, I am grateful for you time and efforts put into this site. I completely respect your views and am very proud of you. I have found help through others on the site, but I have a question for you? Can someone who has within the last 4 mo.'s of sobriety and living a fully devoted christian life by being in a program that implements the bible and a life of nonstop church, devotion and prayer become overly headstrong and not realize that they are so consumed by what their new life in God encompasses and that they egotistically shun others away. I am asking this because my ex fiance' is the one in the program. I am not perfect, I am opiate free and still take lexapro and xanexx for anxiety. We have had every expectation of renewing our relationship through God. He is two states away and expects me to basically not have a life and wait on him. In the process I have a need to make friends at my new college which makes him jealous. In a nut shell....he had me convinced that as a future husband he was going to be the rock and it was my devotion to him that would allow this type of harmony that God intends for a man and women to exist if I follow in his walk of faith. But how is it that because I went to dinner with some friends and had a glass of wine, he has the right to tell me "IF YOU STOP ACTING LIKE A PIECE OF profanity, I WILL STOP TREATING YOU LIKE ONE?" I was so hurt I would'nt accept his calls and am asking God to help me understand and to heal my heart. This could break me, but I will not give up. Are we good for each other right now, because with him it is all or nothing and I have to find my own faith!

"And let us not lose heart and grow weary and faint in acting nobly and doing right, for in due time and at the apointed season we shall reap, if we do not loosed and relax our courage and faint" GALAT 6:9

"When you pass through the waters, I will be with you, and through the rivers, they will not overwhelm you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned or scorched, nor will the flame kindle upon you." ISAIAH 43:2

Hi, Christian79!

I sent you a PM after you sent me one. Did you get it? I haven't responded to your post here, because I felt I answered it in the PM.

I pray all is going well with you.

Blessings,

SOTK

 

[sdmsanjose]

SDM to SOTK 6-25-06 (10:05 PM)


SOTK quote
" My answer is simply to rest in God. Look to Him for strength, meaning, and purpose. I have done this and continue to do this by praying, meditating, reading His Word, and being active within my Church. I get up on a daily basis and remind myself that I am in Christ. I am no longer of the World. Christ conquered sin, and I am free in Him!"


I attempt to allow myself on a daily basis to act from the Truth that I am righteous in Christ. If I remind myself that this is the Truth, my action(s) will come out of who I am in Him. In other words, I will have the "Mind of Christ" and every action which I perform will be righteous and good.

I have no problem with those underlined actions above. Frankly, I don’t think that my son is ready for those kinds of activities right now. I want my son to take the first steps in getting clean and right now I think that a 12-step program may be one of the ways that can help. I really don’t care how he gets clean just that he get clean and CHANGES HIS LIFESTYLE!

In my opinion your “rest in God” actions are actions that can be of help AFTER he gets into recovery. I may be wrong but that is the way I see it for now.

.I feel that my son has got himself into a vicious trap and it is going to take some degree of pain and suffering to begin a change. At this time my only hope is in God and that is why I am contacting people that are spiritual and have walked the walk. I also believe that God’s uses people.

SOTK, I do appreciate your responding to me and sharing your victory. I always love to hear from someone that has been set free from the grips of addiction.

 

[SOTK]

SDM to SOTK 6-25-06 (10:05 PM)


SOTK quote
" My answer is simply to rest in God. Look to Him for strength, meaning, and purpose. I have done this and continue to do this by praying, meditating, reading His Word, and being active within my Church. I get up on a daily basis and remind myself that I am in Christ. I am no longer of the World. Christ conquered sin, and I am free in Him!"


I attempt to allow myself on a daily basis to act from the Truth that I am righteous in Christ. If I remind myself that this is the Truth, my action(s) will come out of who I am in Him. In other words, I will have the "Mind of Christ" and every action which I perform will be righteous and good.

I have no problem with those underlined actions above. Frankly, I don’t think that my son is ready for those kinds of activities right now. I want my son to take the first steps in getting clean and right now I think that a 12-step program may be one of the ways that can help. I really don’t care how he gets clean just that he get clean and CHANGES HIS LIFESTYLE!

In my opinion your “rest in God” actions are actions that can be of help AFTER he gets into recovery. I may be wrong but that is the way I see it for now.

.I feel that my son has got himself into a vicious trap and it is going to take some degree of pain and suffering to begin a change. At this time my only hope is in God and that is why I am contacting people that are spiritual and have walked the walk. I also believe that God’s uses people.

SOTK, I do appreciate your responding to me and sharing your victory. I always love to hear from someone that has been set free from the grips of addiction.

You are entirely welcome, my friend. I pray your son becomes free from his addictions, and recognizes his absolute freedom in Christ!

Blessings,

SOTK

 

[LoG]

No, you are still wrong and misinformed. You need to go much deeper than the two links you gave me. Check out this link: http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/aaroots.html

Finding a site that disagrees with a particular way of life is really not much of a problem. I can easily find sites that tell me Catholics, Calvinites, Jehovah Witnesses, Hindu's, Bhuddists, etc, etc, etc, are straight from the devil and/or the occult.

In the final analysis we are to look at the fruit that something produces. You say you became a Christian in spite of AA, but the truth is that God through AA sobered you up and gave you a foundation from which you were able to graduate from "kindergarden" and move into higher spiritual realms. Just because one has a college degree doesn't mean that the kindergarten classes were not necessary.

Ha! I was wondering when an AA defender would post the infamous Life Recovery/Serenity Bible/Alcoholic's Victorious "scriptural" steps. Lion of God, the use of scripture with the "12 steps" came after the creation of the "12 steps". Just when do you think the so called Serenity Bible and Life Recovery Bible came out? The scripture applied to the 12 Steps is Christianity's attempt at making the steps more "biblical". Just why do you think groups like Alcoholic's Victorious, Celebrate Recovery, and other such Christian addiction support groups came out?

So what is your point, SOTK? Whether they came before or after is immaterial. Why not deal with those verses that parallel the Steps instead? If one or more are occult ideas, point them out and tell me how they conflict with what the Bible teaches.

One more thing- If the above scripture was really indeed used by Bill Wilson, Bob Smith, Shoemaker, etc. to create condensed "steps" to God, why didn't they use them anywhere in AA literature? For example, I have read Pass it on and other AA early history literature. There was never any mention of scripture.

"A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes."

If you were to read up on why the Traditions came about, you would find out that AA was losing its effectiveness by aligning itself with certain groups.

Really? What about the AA famous line "AA is a butt-saving program and not a soul-saving program"?

Never heard it put like that before but the one I hear is: AA is not the road to heaven or hell but it will keep you sober long enough to figure out which way you want to go.
I don't agree with it wholeheartedly but it does point out that AA is not meant to take the place of the church or other religious institutions. This is the part you appear to be missing.

Why the generic use of god? I had people worshipping trees in one of the meetings I attended. Lion of God, the majority of meetings I attended in AA were all about the steps with hardly any importance placed on the One True God. People were offended when I brought Him up. This was a common theme I came up against in not one particular meeting in AA but many.

So what if they were worshipping trees? It is not recommended in any AA literature that I've ever come across but the point is that some people coming into a 12 Step program have been very damaged by the interpretation of God they were taught when young. Some have been abused in every way possible by those professing to be Christians, Hindu's, Bhuddists, etc. It takes those people time to recover from those mindsets of who God really is. I have known people over the years that used AA as a Higher Power but as time progressed they were able to come to a point where the God of the bible became their hope. The ones who maintain the tree hugging deal will eventually go back out or have a program that really is not working for them, which is readily apparent to everyone else. They become living examples of how not to work the program.

In the area where I go to meetings, there is a very strong Christian presence. This was not something I realized at first and in fact was thinking of leaving AA because of it after a few years. I prayed about it and asked to be shown others in the meetings that were Christians also. God opened my eyes and I realized how many there actually were there. In the spirit of the AA Traditions they used "Attraction rather than Promotion" in witnessing to newcomers.

While I am certain that some are believers, the majority of them are not.

That would be incorrect for the area where I attend meetings. I may not agree with the theology or doctrines some adhere to but that is no different from many of the Christians that frequent this board.

I do feel, as do you, that it is always worthwhile and a matter of responsibility to further the Kingdom of God. The furthering of the Kingdom can occur in AA. I've seen it. That is definitely not a bad thing at all, however, I also think we have the responsibility to adequately and truthfully proclaim the Kingdom of God.

We do have the responsibility not so much by our words as by our actions and attitudes.

A question for you: Are we doing that by portraying the "steps" as an accurate representation of scripture? And, are we doing that by allowing God to be portrayed as a "thing" or allowing paganism to thrive around us? What do you think is your responsibility in that respect? Is it possible we could be doing more harm than good?

"allowing paganism"?? That is an individuals choice, SOTK. Who am I to tell someone that they are not allowed to believe that way? The best I can do is to be a living example that comes as a result of my faith in Christ and the fruit that comes because of that.

Wow. "The Steps are the condensed version of the path to God". Gee, I thought Jesus was the only path to God. Lion of God, your statement is exactly why I speak out against the "12 steps" now.

Have you done the Steps, SOTK? All of them? I have known strong christian men and women who spent years and years in AA and promoted the Steps as a way to God. I have even experienced that for myself and have seen the correlations between those Steps and the life that the bible prescribes. Yet here is someone with 5 years of AA and an obvious resentment telling me that the Steps are evil and of an occult origin. The only one's who I have seen with a similar attitude were those who hadn't done them.

Jesus is the way, the truth and the light. And His words were:Mat 7:24 Everyone, then, to whom my words come and who does them, will be like a wise man who made his house on a rock;

and:
Rom 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who will be judged as having righteousness before God, but only the doers:

and:
Jam 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not only hearers of it, blinding yourselves with false ideas.

According to you, the "steps" are much more than a process. Again, they are not outlined in the Bible.

I invite you to look again starting with the verses I have listed previously. I can give you many more if need be.

Yes, a raw newcome is also more than likely not a Christian. If you will notice, most of what I have written pertains to the Christian. My writings on our Identity in Christ is a truth which most Christians, especially alcoholics/addicts, have no idea about. Getting this Truth is becoming very effective with Christian brothers and sisters who are struggling with the sin issue of addiction (as well as other sin issues). Many churches have classes/groups on this subject and no "steps" are used.

If it works for you, great. What about those who are not christians at this time? Or those who don't have access to this material? Or those whose minds are so full of shame, guilt and remorse that holding on to any thought is next to impossible. What about those who deep down in their souls don't believe that God would be willing to have anything to do with them?

Seeing who you are in Christ is possible now that you are clean and sober and have some concept of the spiritual side of life. It is possible now that you have some sense of the love that God has for you as an individual. I daresay that was not something you were capable of realizing early on in your sobriety because it is spiritually discerned. We don't give a 5 year old college material and expect him to have a clue what it is about. Neither do we give a newcomer the "meat" of the Word when they haven't even had the milk of it.

In terms of the non-believer alcoholic/addict, it is very important that they quit. While I have many problems with AA and the steps, I am not so blind that I would state that AA does not work. The fact of the matter is that it does. I have never stated that AA is not effective in getting a person to quit or to even stay quit. Bill Wilson himself once stated that AA is "spiritual kindergarten". My problems with AA have to do with the larger picture- the soul.

You are starting to contradict yourself here. AA doesn't work, neither does it claim to. There may be some who will put it that way but the Big Book and other AA approved material, states that it is God through the Steps and program that brings one to a point of contented sobriety.
I find it strange that you think AA actually has the power to sober up even one alcoholic and keep him/her that way. That is only possible through God. Not all may recognize Him as being the author of their sobriety but He sends His rain on the just and the unjust alike. If the unjust does not acknowledge the gift that was bestowed on him by God through AA, it doesnt mean there was something wrong with the avenue God utilized to effect the change in behaviour. The man will stand in judgement, not AA.

So, does AA work, in terms of helping an individual to quit their addiction? Sure, it definitely does. AA is even pretty successful at this. I don't deny it. You know what really bothers me and is one reason which lead me to where I am at? I observed that Christian brothers and sisters generally have a harder time staying sober than non-believers. I began to wonder why this was.

Yep, I agree that Christians have a harder time. There is a very good reason for it.

I also observed how so many people in AA were generally so unhappy with their lives even with a lot of time in sobriety. I began to wonder why this was. It seems to me that one can be quit from alcohol and yet feel not free at all. All of this lead me to studying about our Identity in Christ.

Dry drunks are a common thing inside as well as outside of the program. It is a result of not augmenting the spiritual life. It has to do with not looking inside to see what the source of unhappiness is. Where it is that reliance on self has taken over reliance on God.

There comes a time when no amount of "steps" are enough. There comes a time when works just don't cut it anymore. The only true freedom we can have in this world from any sin or difficulty is to recognize that Jesus Christ already conquered it on the Cross at Calvary. Believing in this is true freedom indeed!

What you are into now is contained within Steps 11 and 12. What you were recommending in this thread was for someone to bypass Steps 1-10 and go directly to Step 11. That kind of advice kills people and it isn't the path that Jesus or the rest of the scriptures teach.

 

[SOTK]

Lion of God,

We will, it appears, have to agree to disagree. Our discussion is not going anywhere nor do I feel you have really taken in and/or investigated what I have written. It would, therefore, be a waste of my time and yours to continue.

For the sake of fellowship, I say we end our discussion here.

Blessings,

SOTK

 

[LoG]

Lion of God,

We will, it appears, have to agree to disagree. Our discussion is not going anywhere nor do I feel you have really taken in and/or investigated what I have written. It would, therefore, be a waste of my time and yours to continue.

If by this you mean either "Resting in God" or "meditating on who I am in Christ", that would be incorrect. I have known of their effectiveness for a number of years already, and it is always good to be reminded of them.

My point in a roundabout way, is the need for a foundation to be built before getting to that point. Of what value is it to those who haven't seen their own insufficiency and need for Christ or those have haven't made an honest effort to acknowledge their shortcomings? Or those who are not willing to make amends for past mistakes and continue to do so for future ones? Without this groundwork, it is difficult to approach the "altar" with a clear consiounce and to truly experience who we are in Christ. To neglect it is like trying to put a band-aid over a festering wound.

It has been my experience and that of many others, that the 12 Steps outline the building blocks and the order they are laid down for an effective foundation.

For the sake of fellowship, I say we end our discussion here.

Blessings,

SOTK

If you like, however discussion isn't always a bad thing if it helps people to have a stronger and closer relationship with God.

God bless,
LoG

 

[sdmsanjose]

I really enjoyed the posts by SOTK and Lion of God. The topics are topics that relate to my situation with my addicted adult son.

You guys have provided me with information that I will be thinking about for a long time.

I think there are thoughts in your posts that stimulate the mind and the spirit!

Thanks again SOTK and Lion of God

 

[SOTK]

If by this you mean either "Resting in God" or "meditating on who I am in Christ", that would be incorrect. I have known of their effectiveness for a number of years already, and it is always good to be reminded of them.

My point in a roundabout way, is the need for a foundation to be built before getting to that point. Of what value is it to those who haven't seen their own insufficiency and need for Christ or those have haven't made an honest effort to acknowledge their shortcomings? Or those who are not willing to make amends for past mistakes and continue to do so for future ones? Without this groundwork, it is difficult to approach the "altar" with a clear consiounce and to truly experience who we are in Christ. To neglect it is like trying to put a band-aid over a festering wound.

This is a message board for Christians although I am sure there are non-believers here. Again, the majority of what I have written is written to the Christian brother or sister who is struggling with the sin of addiction. Most self-professing Christians, whether they are listening to Him or not, believe they are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and know Christ. Yes? Some alcoholic believers have known Christ their entire life and yet are struggling with alcoholism. True? Okay, so my point(s) is that no amount of works (e.g. steps, a harder sponsor, more praying, going to more "meetings", meditating more, etc) is going to "save" somebody from their sins, addictions, or difficulties. Being a Christian or being a Child of God equates freedom. We became free from all sin the moment we accepted Jesus Christ. The problem is that most of us don't really believe this. We don't really take this truth in. We keep one foot in the world and one foot in Christ. We look at ourselves as addicts or sinners instead of seeing that we are Children of God and are free in Him. Because a lot of us have this negative identity attitude and perspective, we then feel we must rely upon things like " the steps" as a "path to God" when, in fact, the path to God is in us! It's already there!

My point for all my Christian brothers and sisters struggling with the sin of addiction is that their foundation is Christ! Once the alcoholic Christian can truly realize this, the Holy Spirit will work in them to bear fruit. Some of this fruit will be the purging of other past sins to Christ, asking forgiveness of people for harms caused, growing in Character, etc.

If we do not recognize who we are in Christ and allow the Holy Spirit to work in us, we will bear bad fruit regardless of how many "steps" we work.

It has been my experience and that of many others, that the 12 Steps outline the building blocks and the order they are laid down for an effective foundation.


If you like, however discussion isn't always a bad thing if it helps people to have a stronger and closer relationship with God.

God bless,
LoG

It's been my experience and that of many other Christians that the 12 Steps are works based and take reliance off of God.

The Steps are not God breathed. The Steps are secular. Whether they appear to you to be "spiritual" or scripturally familiar is irrelevant. The Steps are not scripture and therefore are not "the path to God". The path to God is outlined in the Bible. The Bible declares the path to God is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ declares that freedom from all sins is to be found with Him. Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, declares that Christ conquered all sin and reminds us that we are dead to sin. Paul reminds us that if we allow the Holy Spirit to work in us we bear good fruit by having the Mind of Christ. All of what I just stated is Biblical and accurate.

Lion of God, our Christian brothers and sisters who are forgetting and not taking all of this in, need to be reminded of this. It is crucial to get this. Getting this is true freedom. Getting this allows works to occur because we have the Mind of Christ.

Blessings,

SOTK

 

[SOTK]

I really enjoyed the posts by SOTK and Lion of God. The topics are topics that relate to my situation with my addicted adult son.

You guys have provided me with information that I will be thinking about for a long time.

I think there are thoughts in your posts that stimulate the mind and the spirit!

Thanks again SOTK and Lion of God

Thanks, brother. I'm glad you have been enjoying them and getting something out of them. Again, I pray that your son will be healed of his addictions and find his true freedom in Christ!

Blessings,

SOTK

 

[ArmouredSaint]

I am feeling very lost. I can't control my drinking any longer.Thinking about admitting myself to rehab.
God bless everyone here this weekend and stay safe.

 

[AngelDove1]

I am feeling very lost. I can't control my drinking any longer.Thinking about admitting myself to rehab.
God bless everyone here this weekend and stay safe.

Great idea...
praying for you

Try and relax,have a super wkend,
God bless you

 

[cajunlady]

Hi Everyone, I see that I have been missing some very interesting conversations here. I hope that you all are doing great and I hope all of you have a great Independence Day....God bless America... Hugs to all..

 

[SOTK]

Hi Everyone, I see that I have been missing some very interesting conversations here. I hope that you all are doing great and I hope all of you have a great Independence Day....God bless America... Hugs to all..

Hi, cajunlady! Happy 4th of July to you too!

 

[SOTK]

I am feeling very lost. I can't control my drinking any longer.Thinking about admitting myself to rehab.
God bless everyone here this weekend and stay safe.

Rehab is not a bad idea especially if one is severely addicted to alcohol/drugs. Medical attention is often needed. I will be praying...

SOTK

 

[cajunlady]

Hugs to everyone....Have a great weekend.......God bless....

 

[justanobserver]

havent stuck my head in the room to say howdies in a while so I figgers I oughta:

Howdies!

wishin everyone continual strength and sobriety.