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ALCOHOL

Discussion in 'Congregation-specific Ethics' started by JoshFL, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. JoshFL

    JoshFL Member

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    Basically years ago i drank heavy and decided to quit. I was sober almost 4 years and I ended up picking it up again.

    Nowadays I know that self control is key
    My issue is everytime I drink whether its one or two etc. I feel guilty, like im not living to my full potential as a christian.

    I feel it is a conviction of the Holy spirit.

    Im at the point where I dont want to drink forever I do want to eventually quit.
    But I honestly enjoy having some beers once in a while.

    My thing is, I do ask God daily to forgive me because I do feel its wrong.
    I feel Im living in sin and because I want to keep drinking and think about drinking the following day or even in the future it makes me feel that my repenting and asking for forgiveness isnt sincere or something and im living in sin and ill go to hell.

    The other day I was sitting there and I opened my bible and it opened to jeremiah and it was talking about judgement and apostate and it made me think the lord is going to judge me,

    I worry will he give me some disease or something bad happen in my family or in general because im doing wrong..

    I remember reading somewhere that people are judged more for knowing what is right to do than people that are blind to it or something.

    I dont want to drink forever I really dont but I do enjoy sipping some beers once in a while.

    I want to live the fullest potential to the christian walk but this always gets me hung up.
    I feel I lose intimacy with the Lord and Im not saved or something..

    I remember reading somewhere "whatever is not of faith is sin" and I always get convicted by that.
    Because I do feel wrong.
    I think to myself if people knew I was drinking again would I make them stumble?
    Or just because I have a drink, would that cause someone else to excess.

    My wife and I are going to germany because her parents bought us a trip for our honeymoon and I would like to enjoy some beverages there etc. but I just dont want to dishonor God or be punished.

    I feel im living in sin and even if I ask for forgiveness its not forgiven or something because I know it wrong to be doing to begin with.

    I just dont want to die and go to hell or something.
    I genuinely want to serve God and live right, I just enjoy a beer here and there or wine etc.


    I just worry and i know it sounds weird but in this mindset im in
    I feel i could be in hell one day and be worried and think back i should of lived better.
    Or I would be in hell and be like I knew I should of live differently.

    Obviously if I feel that way currently it should be enough to scare me to not drink

    its just the idea am i living in sin?
     
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  2. Stringfellow_Hawke

    Stringfellow_Hawke Active Member

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    Simply put, if it offends you, it offends God. It sounds like this is a sin for you.
     
  3. dqhall

    dqhall Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I was completely alcohol free for some years. This year I was drinking a wine bottle (about 5 servings of alcohol) in ten days. That is about 2.5 ounces of wine per day - half a drink/day. My research determined this amount was not likely to harm me. In fact a little wine may be good for a person. People have different tolerances.

    According to what I read, a male who drinks more than two servings of alcohol a day is at higher risk for cancer. Some studies showed that drinking one serving of alcohol is enough to impair driving skills.

    If you have a history of alcoholism, it may be better for you to abstain from drinking it.
     
  4. Lost4words

    Lost4words In reality, an old dog! Supporter

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    Having a few beers is not sinful. Its having too much that is sinful. Alcohol was the main drink in Biblical times. It was the healthiest option.

    Jesus turned water into wine at Cana remember.
     
  5. Chinchilla

    Chinchilla Well-Known Member

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    No you don't sin and can't sin.

    1 John 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
    9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.



    Even Jesus drank wine and will drink it with us in his Kingdom

    Matthew 26:29
    “But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.”

    If wine was sin then Jesus would not be able to perform miracle at the wedding .

    What is important is for alcohol to not become your idol and you not become it's slave . Try from time to time in small amounts . Don't replace that addiction with other addiction .
     
  6. Basil the Great

    Basil the Great Well-Known Member Supporter

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    As I understand Catholic doctrine, intentionally drinking to the point of becoming drunk, with full willingness, is considered a grave/mortal sin, though I am sure it is not emphasized much. I do recall that Paul said something about drunkards (and others mind you) not inheriting the kingdom of Heaven. I look upon the use of alcohol from a health standpoint, not a moral stance, though the two can certainly be connected. Alcohol abuse is a social evil. It is associated with spousal abuse, child abuse, increased divorce rates, untold kinds of cancers in the body, deaths via traffic accidents, etc. I would encourage you to avoid alcohol, not so much because it might put your soul in jeopardy, but because it could lead you and/or others to an early grave. Life is short enough. There is no need to make it even shorter.
     
  7. JoshFL

    JoshFL Member

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    then it makes me think do i only feel weird because i grew up in a home against booze? or is it conviction from Holy Spirit
     
  8. Lost4words

    Lost4words In reality, an old dog! Supporter

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    Scrupelosity.
     
  9. dreadnought

    dreadnought Lip service isn't really service. Supporter

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    I got into a bad drinking habit and quit drinking altogether. I see no reason to start up again.
     
  10. EvangAlived

    EvangAlived WakeUpSleepyHead

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    Yes.

    1 Jhn. 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    Pro. 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

    Pro. 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

    Alcohol drinking is sin [period], and you are destroying your mind (brain and body organs) which is the purchase of Jesus Christ. Heed the Holy Ghost speaking to you. Repent. Turn completely away from the cursed drink of Belial. Ask Jesus for victory, and it will be given to you.

    Jhn. 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    Jhn. 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    Listen not to the men/women (who tell you to drink alcohol, they justify their own sins and their own evil lusts), listen to God speaking through His word to you.

    1 Thess. 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

    1 Pet. 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

    1 Pet. 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
     
  11. Crandaddy

    Crandaddy Classical Theist

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    Drinking alcohol by itself is not immoral or sinful — nor even is the consumption of other drugs, and this even includes “hard” drugs like cocaine or heroin. It is the abuse of these substances that is wrong.

    Matthew 15:11 — “What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."

    Simply pointing to this substance or that and saying “that’s evil” is classic legalism, and we should steer clear of it.

    So the short answer is that enjoying a beer every once in a while is perfectly fine. It becomes sinful when you start drinking to excess, and the vice of alcoholism controls your life.
     
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