alcohol

[kittycat7]

Why do Baptists say that if you’re a Christian you can’t drink? Jesus drank wine. Nowhere in the Bible does it say not to drink, it just says not to get drunk. I don’t drink right now, but that has nothing to do with my faith. (It’s not something my parents taught me, either. My dad likes his beer and wine every now and then.) I just don’t need help making bad choices and driving badly. I don’t see anything wrong with alcohol though. I probably will drink someday when I’m a better driver.

 

[JCFantasy23]

Not all baptists believe alcohol is a no-no. I'm not an expert on it but I believe it's more prevalent in certain sub-denoms of baptists.

 

[minusthebear]

I knew some fairly prevalent people in my last church of people who drank without getting drunk (this was in a conservative church). I believe the more conservative ones esp. church leaders don't drink solely because they don't want to set a bad example. I mean, how would it look if you went to your Pastors office and he had bottles of liquor and was drinking scotch when people went to speak with him? I mean, if it's not bad he should be able to have it in his office. Or suppose he doesn't even take it to his office but invites someone over? I think it's just to not let off a bad appearance.

 

[1611AV]

Why do Baptists say that if you’re a Christian you can’t drink? Jesus drank wine. Nowhere in the Bible does it say not to drink, it just says not to get drunk. I don’t drink right now, but that has nothing to do with my faith. (It’s not something my parents taught me, either. My dad likes his beer and wine every now and then.) I just don’t need help making bad choices and driving badly. I don’t see anything wrong with alcohol though. I probably will drink someday when I’m a better driver.

Jesus drank wine

where do you see that in the Bible?

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

 

[98cwitr]

there is no Biblical account that Jesus drank wine...it does show him tasting it, then refusing to drink it though. Yet, we are instructed directly in our consumption of alcohol in this passage:

1 Timothy 3:8:
Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain.

 

[kittycat7]

What about the Last Supper? And he turned water into wine (okay, it doesn't say that he actually drank any of it, but he didn't mind the other wedding guests doing so).

 

[98cwitr]

What about the Last Supper? And he turned water into wine (okay, it doesn't say that he actually drank any of it, but he didn't mind the other wedding guests doing so).

right...there is no record of Jesus drinking any alcohol...He doesn't condemn us if we do it. I just don't think He would be pleased if we got blitzed though.

 

[1611AV]

What about the Last Supper? And he turned water into wine (okay, it doesn't say that he actually drank any of it, but he didn't mind the other wedding guests doing so).

This wine was not of fermented of fruit. It was water. Therefore I doubt if it had any alcohol content. I believe it did not. The guests were already drunk at the time Jesus made the water into wine. To think otherwise, is not wise.

John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: [but] thou hast kept the good wine until now.

Lord Bless,

 

[Hammster]

Heaven

Isaiah 25:6 On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.

 

[bubbles881]

Not too sure on this subject, since I'm pretty young, too young to drink in fact. With what I've seen from this thread, it seems like it could go either way by quoting Bible verses out of context? Yeah, I have to read more Scripture to make up my mind on this.

But here' something I've been thinking about. A lot of people consider alcohol to be a drug. Just like marijuana or heroine, it alters your state of mind! If alcohol's okay, then why wouldn't any other drug?

 

[Hammster]

One, other drugs are illegal.

 

[98cwitr]

This wine was not of fermented of fruit. It was water. Therefore I doubt if it had any alcohol content.
Lord Bless,

What?! Please sir, post a reputable source b/c Im calling you out on this, imho, absurd suggestion.

The reason they drank so much wine back then was because water was unsafe to drink unless boiled, and in that climate no one wants to drink warm water in 100 degree weather.

 

[1611AV]

What?! Please sir, post a reputable source b/c Im calling you out on this, imho, absurd suggestion.

The reason they drank so much wine back then was because water was unsafe to drink unless boiled, and in that climate no one wants to drink warm water in 100 degree weather.

John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

There you go.
Source: The Holy Bible.
Is that reputable enough for you?

 

[desmalia]

Why do Baptists say that if you’re a Christian you can’t drink? Jesus drank wine. Nowhere in the Bible does it say not to drink, it just says not to get drunk. I don’t drink right now, but that has nothing to do with my faith. (It’s not something my parents taught me, either. My dad likes his beer and wine every now and then.) I just don’t need help making bad choices and driving badly. I don’t see anything wrong with alcohol though. I probably will drink someday when I’m a better driver.

I think I'm missing something here. What does being a better driver have to do with drinking alcohol?

 

[98cwitr]

John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

There you go.
Source: The Holy Bible.
Is that reputable enough for you?

yeah the water that Jesus turned into wine...that proves nothing except that Jesus turned water into wine, just another demonstration of His divine power.. Otherwise the story has no validity or purpose of which it is clearly insinuating...let's try that again, shall we? Now they had vinegar wine...which is just vinegar, so that would be non-alcoholic, but the Bible differentiates between vinegar wine and actual wine.

wine   [wahyn] Show IPA noun, adjective, verb,wined, win·ing.
–noun
1.
the fermented juice of grapes, made in many varieties, such as red, white, sweet, dry, still, and sparkling, for use as a beverage, in cooking, in religious rites, etc., and usually having an alcoholic content of 14 percent or less.
2.
a particular variety of such fermented grape juice: port and sherry wines.
3.
the juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc.: gooseberry wine; currant wine.


If you would please turn to the Bible and look up every passage that includes wine (which is 238 instances in all), you will find many also containing the word "drunk" or a lowering of inhibitions, or otherwise clearly being alcoholic in content.

Genesis 9:21
When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.

Genesis 19:32
Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."

Numbers 6:3
he must abstain from wine and other fermented drink and must not drink vinegar made from wine or from other fermented drink. He must not drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins.

Numbers 18:27
Your offering will be reckoned to you as grain from the threshing floor or juice from the winepress.
no need to press water!

Isaiah 5:11
Woe to those who rise early in the morning to run after their drinks, who stay up late at night till they are inflamed with wine.

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.
Wow...that really contradicts your plight huh?

Luke 1:15
for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth.
not looking so good here, bud

I've got 231 more...would you like them too?

 

[Hentenza]

John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

There you go.
Source: The Holy Bible.
Is that reputable enough for you?

Sorry brother but I have to disagree with you in the sense that Jesus turned water into wine not into water. The context of the passage supports the miracle. Wine is wine not water.

9 When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom. 10 And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!”

Looks like the wine that Jesus miraculously turned from water was not just wine but an outstanding wine.


BTW- I don't drink out of conviction but I don't judge those who do to moderation.

 

[DesertJoe]

There is a divergence of thought as to the alcohol content of what was called wine in those days.Wine was consumed for the same reason it has been consumed in Europe for centuries,up to modern times.The juice that comes from fruit is not a health hazard like some non-purified ground water,& an arrested fermentation process will preserve the fruit juice while not necessarily having a large alcohol content.There was also "tiyrowsh" (new wine) which had just been squeezed & was not fermented,but was just as our grape juice.There are several aspects of this issue.We know that getting drunk is not glorifying to God.There are 2 other relevant issues I can think of. 1) Will drinking be a stumbling block to a fellow believer or a lost person? 2) Is it pleasing to God to support an industry that is responsible for so many broken homes,ruined lives,& deaths? On the first issue one might question "If someone sees me buying this or drinking this,is it going to cause them to question my commitment to Jesus? You might say "It's none of their business",but many lost people really look at things like that.Also,if a newly saved Christian who is struggling with alcohol sees it,it may cause them to stumble.To totally dismiss this out of hand without even giving it a thought would be to say with Cain,"Am I my brother's keeper"? The 2nd issue is the idea of using resources that God has given you to enrich a company that promotes so much death,personal destruction,& familial division with their products.There is no doubt that many can "drink responsibly".The question may be for a Christian,"Why do it at all"?

 

[JM]

If you consider the history of the prohibition movement you'll soon see it's rooted in modern Feminism, not scripture. Some worship sports, some go wrong with women...should we do without sports or women?

I'm sipping Kilkenny's right now...smooth, very smooth.

http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/proverbs/good-wine-glad-hearts

 

[JM]

Mars Hill Church | Proverbs | Good Wine, Glad Hearts

Anyone, anyone, Bueller? The sermon is good, for real...have a listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64&feature=related

 

[bubbles881]

One, other drugs are illegal.

I guess I'm trying to say that maybe alcohol should be illegal too.

Legalities aside, I think it's pretty clear that the law is not consistent with the Bible's Laws. In the perspective of the Bible, wouldn't alcohol be considered the same as any other mind-altering drug?