Alcohol

[Irrkunst]

It seems to me that this thread is nothing more than Islamic theology disguised as a question.

Not that there's anything wrong with that (in a proper forum...)

 

[Zebra1552]

That is a fallacy which is getting all too common now. Wine (a few glasses) has been linked to cancer of the mouth etc.

Also as it is a drug (mind altering) not everybody can control how much they drink due to its nature. Therefore it is potentially lethal to even drink one glass as one can lead to more and more can lead to drink driving or violence against a partner etc.

Peace

What studies have shown your claims of wine being linked to cancer?

Furthermore, how is abstinence from an unknown thing going to prevent you from using said thing wisely or know how to deal with the issue when it comes up?

 

[The Nihilist]

Also as it is a drug (mind altering) not everybody can control how much they drink due to its nature. Therefore it is potentially lethal to even drink one glass as one can lead to more and more can lead to drink driving or violence against a partner etc.

Peace

Goodness gracious, with thinking like that, how can you bear to leave your house each day?

 

[nolongerhome]

Goodness gracious, with thinking like that, how can you bear to leave your house each day?

Considering the majority of accidents occur in the home, I don't think it is safe for them to stay indoors.

 

[Everlasting33]

As quite a heavy drinker, no I don't have a problem with it. As to the whole violence issue, I have been drinking heavily and regularly for years now, I have never once gotten into a fight, had an illicit sexual encounter, or driven drunk. I have never harmed anybody else through my actions.

In fact, alcohol helped me to be sincere and think clearly at a time when I was having problems getting my emotions out verbally (A problem I still have.), so its beneficial.

The only harm I have ever done to myself is fall over and injure my leg, so I fail to see how it could be considered immoral.

With all due respect, it sounds like you need to drink a little more in moderation.

 

[The Nihilist]

With all due respect, it sounds like you need to drink a little more in moderation.

Oh, he's still youngish, he'll grow out of it. The ones to worry about are the ones who don't talk about how much they drink

 

[TerranceL]

Still no studies linked? How expected.

 

[Wedjat]

The way I see it is it's all about culture. When to put a ban on alcohol you make it a "forbidden fruit" so to speak. The USA has a relatively high drinking age, as a result as soon as people are allowed to drink, they don't know how and end up hurting themselves or others. New Zealand (where I'm currently living) has a drinking age of 18, which is kind of average, but the drinking culture here is awful. I don't think I've been to a single party (even small gathering of friends) where where there hasn't been at least one person in a bucket by the end of the night.

In many European countries, drinking is no big deal when you're younger. Parents may offer wine to children at dinner. I have a friend in Belgium whose choir director takes them out for drinks after rehearsal. My experience in Italy is that they don't even check ID's most of the time, and you know what, they have a much smaller problem with alcohol than the US or NZ. My dad always used to offer me a beer when I was younger if he was having one. I never accepted because I hated the smell, but I firmly believe that my parents relaxed stance on alcohol is the reason I drink responsibly now. I've never puked, I've never blacked out, I even have relatively good balance most of the time. The point is, there's nothing bad about alcohol in moderation, just as with most things, and any attempts to condemn it only ends up in spreading the problem.

 

[Brieuse]

Alcohol has been linked to cancers of the mouth now.

Also, as alcohol is a mind-altering substance then the moderate use of alcohol is difficult for the individual. Yes/No?

Only for those who can't stop.

 

[Brieuse]

Still no studies linked? How expected.

from Google,

Cancer Research UK : Alcohol and cancer: the evidence

 

[Wedjat]

Some other things that cause cancer that we still use regardless

Here

A lot of things cause cancer, that doesn't mean they're bad, it just means that cancer is caused by a lot of things.

 

[Ayersy]

With all due respect, it sounds like you need to drink a little more in moderation.

You're absolutely right, I know I need to drink a bit more responsibly. The thing is, I enjoy it for the social aspect of it, rather than the drinking itself. I do drink alone as well, but not to get drunk. I enjoy drinking in social situations, and I have had alot of really fun nights out and made a lot of good friends because of it. I have on occasion, puked up, fallen over, passed out, and a variety of other stupid things, but nothing has ever really caused any harm to anyone, so I fail to see how its a bad thing.

I regret nothing.

 

[atomweaver]

from Google,

Cancer Research UK : Alcohol and cancer: the evidence

... a PubMed link to the ressearch that this article was based upon;

Alcohol consumption and the risk for disease. Is t...[Evid Based Dent. 2005] - PubMed Result


Sadly, my local library hasn't maintained its subscription to the journal Evidence Based Dentistry (Couldn't find an impact rating, nevermind a ranking for this...)

 

[keith99]

Ok, honestly, name me five items we eat or drink that have not, in some way, been linked to cancer/obesity/any other medical condition. Do you propose we ban everything that is potentially harmful, just because it is potentially harmful? That seems silly.

With that other medical condition I can't. I used to scuba dive. There I learned fairly pure oxygen kills at to athmospheres preasure. Water kills a couple of ways.

There is a very very old medical saying, I suspect it goes back to the Greeks.

The dose makes the poison.

 

[keith99]

from Google,

Cancer Research UK : Alcohol and cancer: the evidence

Getting closer, but still no study linked or cited. Just a claim that one study found. I'm also not sure if I'd call 3 glasses of wine a day moderate use.

 

[Joachim]

No actually, the use of alcohol is not wrong. What is wrong is when your use of alcohol affects your ability to live a normal life and to meet your responsibilities and obligations

 

[The Nihilist]

No actually, the use of alcohol is not wrong. What is wrong is when your use of alcohol affects your ability to live a normal life and to meet your responsibilities and obligations

winner

 

[BlackSabb]

I think that the majority of us can agree that there is nothing inherently wrong about alcohol. It's up to the individual to consume it responsibly. I am also one of those drinkers that have never passed out, puked, driven under the influence.

There are other issues also. What about offence? Some people, especially religious people, are very offended at the notion of alcohol. I myself have recently embraced a new hobby-single malt Scotch collecting/drinking-mainly collecting, as I collect far more than I drink. Currently I have 15 bottles of high quality single malt Scotch (whisky) and display the fancy boxes along with 2 bottles on top of my buffet.

The inlaws however are dead against alcohol and so I know they're not going to like the sight of all those alcohol boxes and bottles in my home. Also there is the problem of going out with people, especially family, and causing offense if you drink in front of others who are against alcohol.

What's a person to do? Always give in to the other person? Modify your home to suit others? Keep quiet about the fact that you collect/drink alcohol?

 

[Belk]

I think that the majority of us can agree that there is nothing inherently wrong about alcohol. It's up to the individual to consume it responsibly. I am also one of those drinkers that have never passed out, puked, driven under the influence.

There are other issues also. What about offence? Some people, especially religious people, are very offended at the notion of alcohol. I myself have recently embraced a new hobby-single malt Scotch collecting/drinking-mainly collecting, as I collect far more than I drink. Currently I have 15 bottles of high quality single malt Scotch (whisky) and display the fancy boxes along with 2 bottles on top of my buffet.

The inlaws however are dead against alcohol and so I know they're not going to like the sight of all those alcohol boxes and bottles in my home. Also there is the problem of going out with people, especially family, and causing offense if you drink in front of others who are against alcohol.

What's a person to do? Always give in to the other person? Modify your home to suit others? Keep quiet about the fact that you collect/drink alcohol?

Hi there! I will be your friend and laugh at your jokes.

 

[IzzyPop]

Alcohol is awesome, particularly if you can handle it

Its even better when someone else cannot.