Alcohol

[Yahya Snow]

There are many posts about sexual acts but what about the immorality in alcohol. This leads many to illicit sexual relations and even some to violence.

Do you view alcohol as wrong?

 

[b&wpac4]

There are many posts about sexual acts but what about the immorality in alcohol. This leads many to illicit sexual relations and even some to violence.

Do you view alcohol as wrong?

The abuse of alcohol is wrong, but if I have a few glasses of wine a week and do no harm to anybody and even may be improving my own health, how is it wrong?

 

[The Nihilist]

Alcohol is awesome, particularly if you can handle it

 

[PassionFruit]

There are many posts about sexual acts but what about the immorality in alcohol. This leads many to illicit sexual relations and even some to violence.

Do you view alcohol as wrong?

Like what b&wpac4 said, the abuse of alcohol is wrong. If you're irresponsible about it, it can lead to having irresponsible sex.

To me, I like alcohol I think it's awesome. But I never got drunk once and don't plan to. I think alcohol is meant to be saviored and enjoyed, some people drink just to get wasted and I think that's pretty lame.
But that's just me.

 

[Yahya Snow]

Alcohol has been linked to cancers of the mouth now.

Also, as alcohol is a mind-altering substance then the moderate use of alcohol is difficult for the individual. Yes/No?

 

[b&wpac4]

Alcohol has been linked to cancers of the mouth now.

I would like to see that study.

Also, as alcohol is a mind-altering substance then the moderate use of alcohol is difficult for the individual. Yes/No?

I drink maybe a glass of wine every two days. I experience no mind-altering effects at that use. Besides, as long as they harm nobody else, what's the difference?

 

[LoisGriffin]

I think alcohol is meant to be saviored and enjoyed, some people drink just to get wasted and I think that's pretty lame.
But that's just me.

Well said

 

[ebia]

There are many posts about sexual acts but what about the immorality in alcohol. This leads many to illicit sexual relations and even some to violence.

Do you view alcohol as wrong?

Like most other things, it can be used properly or it can be abused.

 

[bigbadwilf]

Alcohol has been linked to cancers of the mouth now.

Also, as alcohol is a mind-altering substance then the moderate use of alcohol is difficult for the individual. Yes/No?

The only way to avoid all things that are known carcinogens is to have yourself vaccum packed (but even then I'm not entirely sure that you'll escape, depending on the plastic that you use. Seriously, I disremember which one, but one of the 60-odd known carcinogens that are found in tobacco smoke is actually exhaled by people (even if they don't smoke).

The moderate use of alcohol isn't difficult, just live in the countryside (3 miles from the nearest cashpoint and only one pub within walking distance, and never have much cash on you.
Works for me...

 

[Penumbra]

There are many posts about sexual acts but what about the immorality in alcohol. This leads many to illicit sexual relations and even some to violence.

Do you view alcohol as wrong?

I view alcohol as neutral. It can be a benefit or a problem depending on whether or not it is used responsibly. Some studies have shown that low to moderate alcohol consumption (especially red wine) can lead to slight health benefits. But of course if one drinks too much or becomes addicted, it can cause heath problems and bad choices.

The argument that alcohol leads some people to illicit sex and violence and therefore is wrong is not particularly strong. I mean, traffic accidents kill 1 million people a year and injure 40 million people a year worldwide, but are cars wrong?

Alcohol has been linked to cancers of the mouth now.

Every time I watch the news I learn about something more that can kill me. Plastic water bottles are supposedly dangerous. Cell phones are dangerous. I know a great number of older people who have consumed alcohol moderate throughout their lives and none of them have mouth cancer. Now liver disease is big link, but mouth cancer? Maybe a small correlation but with the chances of dying from a heart attack, stroke, breast cancer, or traffic accident, I'm not particularly worried about mouth cancer.

Also, as alcohol is a mind-altering substance then the moderate use of alcohol is difficult for the individual. Yes/No?

Depends on the individual. Some people have no problem with it in their lives, and others do.

-Lyn

 

[Verv]

There are many posts about sexual acts but what about the immorality in alcohol. This leads many to illicit sexual relations and even some to violence.

Do you view alcohol as wrong?

Great thread.

I agree with what yous aid.

However, there are some important things to point out...

I know people who drink all the time and never fight and never have sex with anyone but their wife. However, i tis also important to point out that they tend to never drink when they are either said or angry or any of that.

The best idea for drinking is:

(1) Be in a positive environment with friends who can look after you if necessary.
(2) Do not be in an emotionally negative mode.
(3) If you have a lover or a wife, you should make it clear and be aware of it, and if you still do not think you can withstand cheating, you should drink only in the presence of your lover or wife.

Another thing I have started doing is drinking only near my home.

When I do not, I have to wait for subways to open which is five AM; it causes me to drink even more than usual while I wait, bored, and to essentially mess up my entire day.

 

[Yahya Snow]

The abuse of alcohol is wrong, but if I have a few glasses of wine a week and do no harm to anybody and even may be improving my own health, how is it wrong?

That is a fallacy which is getting all too common now. Wine (a few glasses) has been linked to cancer of the mouth etc.

Also as it is a drug (mind altering) not everybody can control how much they drink due to its nature. Therefore it is potentially lethal to even drink one glass as one can lead to more and more can lead to drink driving or violence against a partner etc.

Peace

 

[b&wpac4]

That is a fallacy which is getting all too common now. Wine (a few glasses) has been linked to cancer of the mouth etc.

Ok, honestly, name me five items we eat or drink that have not, in some way, been linked to cancer/obesity/any other medical condition. Do you propose we ban everything that is potentially harmful, just because it is potentially harmful? That seems silly.

Also as it is a drug (mind altering) not everybody can control how much they drink due to its nature. Therefore it is potentially lethal to even drink one glass as one can lead to more and more can lead to drink driving or violence against a partner etc.

I'm not going to traverse this slippery slope with you. Because some people can't handle their drink, everybody should stop using it? I come back to my previous argument. Some people just can't stop eating cake, shall we ban cake because of those few?

Also, I'd point out that every Friday when I attend services at the synagogue, there is wine with the kiddush. Catholics also use wine during the Eucharist. Do you feel those practices should be changed because they use alcohol? Both Jews and Catholics (and any other Christians that use wine during) would say they are following God's commandments.

I drink very occasionally, and never intend to get drunk or even get much of a buzz. I just like the taste of the occasional glass of wine and, of course, have it with kiddush. I've never driven drunk, I've never beat up my fiancee, I've never done anything illegal while under the influence. I find your argument to be built upon the idea that nobody can handle themselves, which I don't agree with at all.

 

[Tinker Grey]

That is a fallacy which is getting all too common now. Wine (a few glasses) has been linked to cancer of the mouth etc.

Have you provided a cite for this assertion yet?

 

[atomweaver]

That is a fallacy which is getting all too common now. Wine (a few glasses) has been linked to cancer of the mouth etc.

This is a thirdrequest for the study that this assertion is based upon.

Also as it is a drug (mind altering) not everybody can control how much they drink due to its nature.

I disagree on a subtle point; the ability to control how much one drinks is due to the nature of the person... not due to the nature of alcohol, as you wrote above.

Therefore it is potentially lethal to even drink one glass as one can lead to more and more can lead to drink driving or violence against a partner etc.

That may be the case for a handful of people, out of billions. So what? Are you suggesting we deny the social and health benefits of moderate alcohol consumption to everyone, because of the fact that it is an issue for some fraction of the whole population? Heh. That'd be like advocating for the elimination of formal religions, because some atheists find them to be detrimental to their mental health...

 

[Zebra1552]

There are many posts about sexual acts but what about the immorality in alcohol. This leads many to illicit sexual relations and even some to violence.

Do you view alcohol as wrong?

No. That'd be drunkenness that's the problem.

 

[Witchy Bee]

I think it's fine in moderation.
As long as you don't drink and drive it's none of my business to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't put in their bodies.
Personally, I don't see the reason to drink, but that's just me.

 

[The Nihilist]

Personally, I don't see the reason to drink, but that's just me.

What? I don't get it. Don't you ever have emotions? How else would you deal with them?

 

[Zebra1552]

What? I don't get it. Don't you ever have emotions? How else would you deal with them?

I can think of a few. Play a video game, read, talk with someone, write, journal, do homework (for those in college or whatever), eat, and practice Taekwondo all come to mind.

 

[Ayersy]

As quite a heavy drinker, no I don't have a problem with it. As to the whole violence issue, I have been drinking heavily and regularly for years now, I have never once gotten into a fight, had an illicit sexual encounter, or driven drunk. I have never harmed anybody else through my actions.

In fact, alcohol helped me to be sincere and think clearly at a time when I was having problems getting my emotions out verbally (A problem I still have.), so its beneficial.

The only harm I have ever done to myself is fall over and injure my leg, so I fail to see how it could be considered immoral.