AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

[SabbathBlessings]

When it comes to changing the Sabbath “from morning to morning,” I don’t agree. There have been thousands of rabbis, both Messianic and non-Messianic, who have studied the scriptures, and none of them, as far as I know, have come up with that idea.

Yes, you're right. The Sabbath didn't change It was ordained at Creation by God Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 it can't change. Your point is one of the reasons I think God has protected Israel. You can trace the Sabbath back to the days of Jesus (and Creation) . The sign He is our Creator and Sanctifier.

Man does not have the right to change what is in God's Word or God's Sabbath. We are not to add to or take from God's commandments Deut4:2 Mat5:18 We were told in the last days many would make themselves teachers. 2 Tim 4:3-4. Even though this poster says he is SDA, this is not an SDA teachings.

This is what SDA's believe regarding God's Sabbath. Its one of our fundamental beliefs one accepts when they become an SDA.

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation.

The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom.

The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts.

(Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)

Happy Sabbath!

 

[Jerry N.]

Yes, you're right. The Sabbath didn't change It was ordained at Creation by God Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 it can't change. Your point is one of the reasons I think God has protected Israel. You can trace the Sabbath back to the days of Jesus (and Creation) . The sign He is our Creator and Sanctifier.

Man does not have the right to change what is in God's Word or God's Sabbath. We are not to add to or take from God's commandments Deut4:2 Mat5:18 We were told in the last days many would make themselves teachers. 2 Tim 4:3-4. Even though this poster says he is SDA, this is not an SDA teachings.

This is what SDA's believe regarding God's Sabbath. Its one of our fundamental beliefs one accepts when they become an SDA.

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation.

The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom.

The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts.

(Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)

Happy Sabbath!

Shabbat Shalom!

 

[guevaraj]

it is an interesting idea that could open ways of study.

Brother, it is a fact, as shown in the following passage, where they are given two portions of manna the day before, because there will be no manna tomorrow.

On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much as usual—four quarts for each person instead of two. Then all the leaders of the community came and asked Moses for an explanation. He told them, “This is what the LORD commanded: Tomorrow will be a day of complete rest, a holy Sabbath day set apart for the LORD. So bake or boil as much as you want today, and set aside what is left for tomorrow.” So they put some aside until morning, just as Moses had commanded. And in the morning the leftover food was wholesome and good, without maggots or odor. Moses said, “Eat this food today, for today is a Sabbath day dedicated to the LORD. There will be no food on the ground today. (Exodus 16:22-25 NLT)​

Importantly, the bad news, that there will be no quail tomorrow if the next day begins in the evening, is not mentioned, because they will eat quail in the evening before manna is the first thing they will not eat the next day. The omission of the quail clearly shows the days of the week that begin in the morning.

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Jerry N.]

Brother, it is a fact, as shown in the following passage, where they are given two portions of manna the day before, because there will be no manna tomorrow.

On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much as usual—four quarts for each person instead of two. Then all the leaders of the community came and asked Moses for an explanation. He told them, “This is what the LORD commanded: Tomorrow will be a day of complete rest, a holy Sabbath day set apart for the LORD. So bake or boil as much as you want today, and set aside what is left for tomorrow.” So they put some aside until morning, just as Moses had commanded. And in the morning the leftover food was wholesome and good, without maggots or odor. Moses said, “Eat this food today, for today is a Sabbath day dedicated to the LORD. There will be no food on the ground today. (Exodus 16:22-25 NLT)​

Importantly, the bad news, that there will be no quail tomorrow if the next day begins in the evening, is not mentioned, because they will eat quail in the evening before manna is the first thing they will not eat the next day. The omission of the quail clearly shows the days of the week that begin in the morning.
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United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I understand what you mean, but people don’t eat much from sundown till morning, The idea that there is little to eat till morning does not mean that the sabbath hasn’t started in the evening.

 

[guevaraj]

I understand what you mean, but people don’t eat much from sundown till morning, The idea that there is little to eat till morning does not mean that the sabbath hasn’t started in the evening.

Brother, all the biblical evidence shows that the days of the week begin in the morning and not in the evening, like the Sabbath falls in Jerusalem. Here is another passage from a non-Sabbath day of the week showing that what God called "day" precedes what God called "night" on a weekday, where the previous "night" is the previous weekday and the following "night" is part of the current weekday.

The next morning/day the older daughter said to her younger sister, “I had sex with our father last night. Let’s get him drunk with wine again tonight, and you go in and have sex with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Jerry N.]

Brother, all the biblical evidence shows that the days of the week begin in the morning and not in the evening, like the Sabbath falls in Jerusalem. Here is another passage from a non-Sabbath day of the week showing that what God called "day" precedes what God called "night" on a weekday, where the previous "night" is the previous weekday and the following "night" is part of the current weekday.

The next morning/day the older daughter said to her younger sister, “I had sex with our father last night. Let’s get him drunk with wine again tonight, and you go in and have sex with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Part of the etymology of the word “day” in English: Meaning originally, in English, "the daylight hours;" it expanded to mean "the 24-hour period" in late Anglo-Saxon times. The day formerly began at sunset, hence Old English Wodnesniht was what we would call "Tuesday night.” (underline added)
Day - Etymology, Origin & Meaning

The Hebrew word יום (yom, Strong's #3117) means a "day," but not specifically a twenty-four hour period, but instead more generically like in "a day that something occurs." An example would be "a day of the month" (Genesis 8:4), "in that day Yahweh made a covenant" (Genesis 15:18) and "until the day" (Genesis 19:37). This word can also refer to the light part of the day in contrast to night (see Genesis 1:5 and Exodus 13:21), but the related word יומם (yomam, Strong's #3119) specifically means "daytime" as in Job 5:14. This word can be used for a time, age or season, but that is only when this word is in the plural form, which is ימים (yamim), and in my opinion should simply be translated as "days" and not time, age or season, as this can lead to incorrect interpretations of the text. The word היום (hayom) is the word יום (yom) with the prefix ה (ha) added and it literally means "the day," but we would translate it as "today." (underline added)
Hebrew Word Definition: Day | AHRC

I think I’ll stick to tradition, but it has been an interesting discussion.

 

[jonojim1337]

The Patriarch of Rome (Moscow) should be able to answer this.

 

[guevaraj]

I think I’ll stick to tradition, but it has been an interesting discussion.

Brother, Hebrews tells us that Judaism's perspective on the days of the week since Joshua is flawed, due to the earlier Sabbath given in Jerusalem.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

When does the day end in the following passage?

The meat of the peace offering of thanksgiving must be eaten on the same day it is offered. None of it may be saved for the next morning. (Leviticus 7:15 NLT)​

Hebrews reveals that Judaism's perspective on the days of the week since Joshua is a human tradition and not the biblical teaching on the days of the week from the beginning. Can you see that the days end in the "morning" in the above passage? That the day ends in the "morning" in the above passage means that they begin in the "morning," as revealed in the story of the manna, when God prevented Israel from entering the Sabbath by forcing them to keep the true seventh day of the week, which is half a day too late to enter the Sabbath near Jerusalem.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Jerry N.]

Brother, Hebrews tells us that Judaism's perspective on the days of the week since Joshua is flawed, due to the earlier Sabbath given in Jerusalem.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

When does the day end in the following passage?

The meat of the peace offering of thanksgiving must be eaten on the same day it is offered. None of it may be saved for the next morning. (Leviticus 7:15 NLT)​

Hebrews reveals that Judaism's perspective on the days of the week since Joshua is a human tradition and not the biblical teaching on the days of the week from the beginning. Can you see that the days end in the "morning" in the above passage? That the day ends in the "morning" in the above passage means that they begin in the "morning," as revealed in the story of the manna, when God prevented Israel from entering the Sabbath by forcing them to keep the true seventh day of the week, which is half a day too late to enter the Sabbath near Jerusalem.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I’m a little confused about what you are trying to convince me of. I have partially entered the rest of salvation through the sacrifice of Christ, since I have accepted Him as my savior. I hope that I will fully enter His rest in the resurrection. In the meantime, I have chosen to try to keep the Sabbath, because it is a commandment of God and good for my spiritual growth. Traditionally, it is from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday, so that is what I choose to do. I believe it is an eternal commandment and is good for humanity. Whether it is necessary or not is up for debate, but it doesn’t matter, since I chose to keep it the best I can. Are you saying that it should be morning to morning? If so, how would it affect my keeping of the commandment?

 

[guevaraj]

Are you saying that it should be morning to morning? If so, how would it affect my keeping of the commandment?

Brother, the Sabbath in Jerusalem falls from evening to evening, but that is half a day before the seventh day of the week. God used this fact to prevent Israel, by means of an "oath", from entering the Sabbath, forcing them to keep the true seventh day of the week for the 40 years with manna mentioned in Hebrews chapter 4.

Hebrews tells us that Judaism correctly keeps the Sabbath in Jerusalem by direct instruction from God without understanding it fully, but keeps the Sabbath wrong here in the United States, where it falls on a different time earlier than the seventh day as it does in Jerusalem. The true biblical Sabbath announces that God has been with us from the beginning by having established the counting of days with the week and that God controls His word by consistently giving us the days of the week from the beginning when humans have it wrong. Humans have misinterpreted this for 3,000 years since Joshua, who confused the earlier Sabbath in Jerusalem, from evening to evening, with a new seventh day of the week, when God has not changed the days of the week since creation, being from morning to morning. I learned this from Genesis, where God creates during the first part of the light and stops creating during the second part of the "night" since the first day of the week. I learned two things from Genesis: first, that from "evening" to "morning" is only half a day, and second, that the days of the week are from "morning" to "morning", where the first "evening" falls in the middle of the first day. The first day is from light to light again in the "morning" and the following days are from "morning" to the next "morning".

Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” And evening passed and MORNING came, marking the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge