• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

SabbathBlessings

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 12, 2020
13,969
5,625
USA
✟732,474.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Married
When it comes to changing the Sabbath “from morning to morning,” I don’t agree. There have been thousands of rabbis, both Messianic and non-Messianic, who have studied the scriptures, and none of them, as far as I know, have come up with that idea.
Yes, you're right. The Sabbath didn't change It was ordained at Creation by God Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 it can't change. Your point is one of the reasons I think God has protected Israel. You can trace the Sabbath back to the days of Jesus (and Creation) . The sign He is our Creator and Sanctifier.

Man does not have the right to change what is in God's Word or God's Sabbath. We are not to add to or take from God's commandments Deut4:2 Mat5:18 We were told in the last days many would make themselves teachers. 2 Tim 4:3-4. Even though this poster says he is SDA, this is not an SDA teachings.

This is what SDA's believe regarding God's Sabbath. Its one of our fundamental beliefs one accepts when they become an SDA.

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation.

The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom.

The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts.

(Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)


Happy Sabbath!
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Jerry N.
Upvote 0

Jerry N.

Well-Known Member
Sep 25, 2024
839
303
Brzostek
✟48,739.00
Country
Poland
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Married
Yes, you're right. The Sabbath didn't change It was ordained at Creation by God Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 it can't change. Your point is one of the reasons I think God has protected Israel. You can trace the Sabbath back to the days of Jesus (and Creation) . The sign He is our Creator and Sanctifier.

Man does not have the right to change what is in God's Word or God's Sabbath. We are not to add to or take from God's commandments Deut4:2 Mat5:18 We were told in the last days many would make themselves teachers. 2 Tim 4:3-4. Even though this poster says he is SDA, this is not an SDA teachings.

This is what SDA's believe regarding God's Sabbath. Its one of our fundamental beliefs one accepts when they become an SDA.

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation.

The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom.

The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts.

(Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)


Happy Sabbath!
Shabbat Shalom!
 
Upvote 0

guevaraj

an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins
Site Supporter
Mar 31, 2019
2,388
188
54
South Bend, IN
Visit site
✟723,666.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Single
it is an interesting idea that could open ways of study.
Brother, it is a fact, as shown in the following passage, where they are given two portions of manna the day before, because there will be no manna tomorrow.

On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much as usual—four quarts for each person instead of two. Then all the leaders of the community came and asked Moses for an explanation. He told them, “This is what the LORD commanded: Tomorrow will be a day of complete rest, a holy Sabbath day set apart for the LORD. So bake or boil as much as you want today, and set aside what is left for tomorrow.” So they put some aside until morning, just as Moses had commanded. And in the morning the leftover food was wholesome and good, without maggots or odor. Moses said, “Eat this food today, for today is a Sabbath day dedicated to the LORD. There will be no food on the ground today. (Exodus 16:22-25 NLT)​

Importantly, the bad news, that there will be no quail tomorrow if the next day begins in the evening, is not mentioned, because they will eat quail in the evening before manna is the first thing they will not eat the next day. The omission of the quail clearly shows the days of the week that begin in the morning.
quail.png

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Jerry N.

Well-Known Member
Sep 25, 2024
839
303
Brzostek
✟48,739.00
Country
Poland
Gender
Male
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Married
Brother, it is a fact, as shown in the following passage, where they are given two portions of manna the day before, because there will be no manna tomorrow.

On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much as usual—four quarts for each person instead of two. Then all the leaders of the community came and asked Moses for an explanation. He told them, “This is what the LORD commanded: Tomorrow will be a day of complete rest, a holy Sabbath day set apart for the LORD. So bake or boil as much as you want today, and set aside what is left for tomorrow.” So they put some aside until morning, just as Moses had commanded. And in the morning the leftover food was wholesome and good, without maggots or odor. Moses said, “Eat this food today, for today is a Sabbath day dedicated to the LORD. There will be no food on the ground today. (Exodus 16:22-25 NLT)​

Importantly, the bad news, that there will be no quail tomorrow if the next day begins in the evening, is not mentioned, because they will eat quail in the evening before manna is the first thing they will not eat the next day. The omission of the quail clearly shows the days of the week that begin in the morning.
View attachment 371768
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
I understand what you mean, but people don’t eat much from sundown till morning, The idea that there is little to eat till morning does not mean that the sabbath hasn’t started in the evening.
 
Upvote 0

guevaraj

an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins
Site Supporter
Mar 31, 2019
2,388
188
54
South Bend, IN
Visit site
✟723,666.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Single
I understand what you mean, but people don’t eat much from sundown till morning, The idea that there is little to eat till morning does not mean that the sabbath hasn’t started in the evening.
Brother, all the biblical evidence shows that the days of the week begin in the morning and not in the evening, like the Sabbath falls in Jerusalem. Here is another passage from a non-Sabbath day of the week showing that what God called "day" precedes what God called "night" on a weekday, where the previous "night" is the previous weekday and the following "night" is part of the current weekday.

The next morning/day the older daughter said to her younger sister, “I had sex with our father last night. Let’s get him drunk with wine again tonight, and you go in and have sex with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
Upvote 0