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Ahead of synod, prominent prelates publish on ‘LGBTQ issues’

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It's been going on for years outside of the Catholic Church I'll grant you that. For example Robert Sirico did gay marriages in Washington state and Colorado in the 1970's as part of the Metropolitan Community Church. He has since reverted to the Catholic faith and become a faithful priest and no longer does those things. He was an author and initial signer of the Manhattan Declaration, which I have also signed.
Correct. I was aware of him.

I believe the MCC accepts so called “women priests” and is semi liturgical.

Ready to harvest has an interesting video on the MCC.
 
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Well, I personally feel it was a superfluous document that affirmed what we already know about marriage but you do you. In other parts of the world, the blessings of same sex couples has been going on for many years.
Same sex marriage was first legalized in 2001 in the Netherlands. Before that, it didn’t exist anywhere else.

Maybe commitment ceremonies, but they weren’t legally binding.

Yes, I’m aware the United church of Christ accepted active homosexuals since the 1970s, and many mainline denominations did so after. The Episcopal Church, IIRC, did in 1994, but not the worldwide Anglican Communion.

It was never accepted in the RCC.
 
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Just days after organizers of the second session of the Synod on Synodality in October said topics were not the focus of discussions, two prominent participants have publicly weighed in on the question of Catholics identifying as LGBTQ.

Dominican Father Timothy Radcliffe and Jesuit Father James Martin on Sept. 19 published personal reflections on pastoral approaches to Catholics experiencing same-sex attraction.

Radcliffe, who served as a spiritual assistant at the 2023 synod assembly, has courted controversy in the past with statements on same-sex attraction. He wrote in the Sept. 19 edition of L’Osservatore Romano, the newspaper of the Holy See, about being on “the synodal path with gay Catholics.”

The 79-year-old Dominican wrote that same-sex “desires,” like all desires, are “God-given” and need to be “educated” rather than denied. Radcliffe praised “mature gay Catholics” in “committed relationships.”

“Church teaching is already developing as it is refreshed by lived experience: gay people are no longer seen only in terms of sexual acts but as our brothers and sisters who, according to Pope Francis, can be blessed,” Radcliffe added.

Strong opposition at the synod​


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It seems the pope sees a blessing as prayer ... if so then that kind of explains it.

So in that light .... is there a difference between a blessing and a prayer?

GOD will never reward evil. It can seem like that when bad and/or evil people get "good things" but in the long run that won't happen.

The 79-year-old Dominican wrote that same-sex “desires,” like all desires, are “God-given” and need to be “educated” rather than denied. Radcliffe praised “mature gay Catholics” in “committed relationships.”
The bible clearly teaches against homosexuality ... committed or not.
 
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It seems the pope sees a blessing as prayer ... if so then that kind of explains it.

So in that light .... is there a difference between a blessing and a prayer?

GOD will never reward evil. It can seem like that when bad and/or evil people get "good things" but in the long run that won't happen.


The bible clearly teaches against homosexuality ... committed or not.
All blessings are prayers, not all prayers are blessings.

Essentially, a blessing of sacramentals help us to receive the sacraments.

I’m rambling now.
 
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I will say this though - recently there was a homily (sermon) given in a very left leaning town and it was DEFINITELY anti gay so...
I would honestly find that refreshing. My priest did a homily during last June regarding the same thing.
 
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Same sex marriage was first legalized in 2001 in the Netherlands. Before that, it didn’t exist anywhere else.

Maybe commitment ceremonies, but they weren’t legally binding.

Yes, I’m aware the United church of Christ accepted active homosexuals since the 1970s, and many mainline denominations did so after. The Episcopal Church, IIRC, did in 1994, but not the worldwide Anglican Communion.

It was never accepted in the RCC.
It is only "accepted" if the parties don't act on it. Also, if they don't call it marriage.
 
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It's been going on for years outside of the Catholic Church I'll grant you that. For example Robert Sirico did gay marriages in Washington state and Colorado in the 1970's as part of the Metropolitan Community Church. He has since reverted to the Catholic faith and become a faithful priest and no longer does those things. He was an author and initial signer of the Manhattan Declaration, which I have also signed.
There's a big difference between a blessing and a ceremony.
 
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I’d like proof of that approved from the RCC. I’ll wait.

Good since I only check this site once in awhile.
 
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Post your proof. Of course gay church going Catholics were blessed as we all are. But blessing couples in irregular situations is a new thing. That’s why Fiducia Supplicans came out.
I didn't say anything about blessing couples vs. blessing individuals.
 
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I think you did say this has been approved for generations or decades or something. This was only last year and a third of the bishops of the world said a flat 'NO' to it, another half of the bishops of the world wished they had the guts to say a weak 'no' to it, and it will be repealed soon after pope Francis moves on.
 
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I think you did say this has been approved for generations or decades or something. This was only last year and a third of the bishops of the world said a flat 'NO' to it, another half of the bishops of the world wished they had the guts to say a weak 'no' to it, and it will be repealed soon after pope Francis moves on.'
All I said was that individuals could be blessed.
 
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