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I think you have correctly read it and it is a view that is prevalent among many Christians.
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Ah, for the simple life!
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It is fairly obvious that sincerity doesn't make it "easier" to forgive. But, if someone says that they are apologizing, but it is quite obvious that they aren't sincere, then who would be foolish enough to accept the "apology"? When Judas confessed that he had sinned in betraying innocent blood did God accept that and grant forgiveness?
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sentipente
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I am sorry you believe that there is anyone the Creator has not forgiven. Maybe you shoud put Farrar down for a while and take a more careful look at the nature of the One you serve.
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DJ, I'm sure you've noticed that you started a thread about your youth to avoid the threads about debate....and then your innocent thread was intentionally steered toward debate.
It wasn't good enough that you didn't want to debate, people wanted to make sure that you would or that you'd feel bad for not wanting to.
It's okay not to debate. It's also very okay to start a non-debate thread in the middle of other ones that do/will cause debate.
You don't owe any of us an explanation, and you shouldn't let this derail your thread.
It wasn't good enough that you didn't want to debate, people wanted to make sure that you would or that you'd feel bad for not wanting to.
It's okay not to debate. It's also very okay to start a non-debate thread in the middle of other ones that do/will cause debate.
You don't owe any of us an explanation, and you shouldn't let this derail your thread.
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Yes he did... perhaps Judas did not forgive himself, and that's another issue...
For you to suggest that sincerity be the criteria for forgiveness, then one must question if you have even extended forgiveness....
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If you read the text (Matt. 27:4) nowhere does it say that he asked for forgiveness. It just says that he made a STATEMENT that he had betrayed innocent blood.
Certainly, God can forgive anyone, but in this case Judas did not seek forgiveness.
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so you are saying that you know the motives for the questions being asked? Or that people should be able to start a thread in which there will be no discussion?
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I think someone needs to start a thread about forgiveness and stop hijacking DJ's thread and leave him alone if he doesn't participate in the new thread.
This is his thread, it needs to stay on-topic.
This is his thread, it needs to stay on-topic.
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T&O and DJ,
You are right nothing wrong with starting a non-debate thread - it just got hijacked.
Probably should start a new thread.
As for the simple life. I spent last evening with family members just relaxing around the dinner table and chatting (but in person
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When I was young we got THREE whopping television stations, and even then my parents would declare one night a week as "No tv Night".
I hated it, and thought they were really mean for that, but now I look back on those times with a lot of laughter and sentiment.
We'd play scrabble or yahtzee a lot, while eating homemade vegetable soup and peanut butter and syrup sandwiches.
We were so poor then, but I never once felt that way.
I'm sure if we had computers back then we would've had a "no computer night" and I would've rebelled.
I hated it, and thought they were really mean for that, but now I look back on those times with a lot of laughter and sentiment.
We'd play scrabble or yahtzee a lot, while eating homemade vegetable soup and peanut butter and syrup sandwiches.
We were so poor then, but I never once felt that way.
I'm sure if we had computers back then we would've had a "no computer night" and I would've rebelled.
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Your post made me laugh!When I was young we got THREE whopping television stations, and even then my parents would declare one night a week as "No tv Night".
I hated it, and thought they were really mean for that, but now I look back on those times with a lot of laughter and sentiment.
We'd play scrabble or yahtzee a lot, while eating homemade vegetable soup and peanut butter and syrup sandwiches.
We were so poor then, but I never once felt that way.
I'm sure if we had computers back then we would've had a "no computer night" and I would've rebelled.
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T&O people who do not want to debate simply do not participate.What's your agenda here?
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But why do you say that because he did not ask that the Creator refused to forgive him?
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I lived in a VERY small town growing up, and I almost got arrested when I was 16 for driving all my friends into town in a tractor scoop.
My dad came and got me and as he was trying to yell at me, I saw him about to crack up out of the corner of my eye.
After we left the presence of the officer, my dad said he and his friends went to Tijuana when THEY were 16, and he really couldn't yell at me.
They all got tattoos, and in their drunken wisdom, they thought it would be totally acceptable to get their best friend's names tattoed on their arms.
Thankfully he saw that really wasn't acceptable and got his own name. It used to say "Sherman" 50 years ago. Now it says "skdjawu". (One big smear really).
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I don't think my children could even come close to doing some of the stupid things I did as a teenager.
However, I'm about to find out. One of them just turned 13.
However, I'm about to find out. One of them just turned 13.
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My parents never kept the Sabbath and still don't. They have declared themselves my weekly "ox in the ditch".
If they need something they love to throw that verse up at me and say "you're supposed to help the ox....WE'RE the ox."
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<shudder>
My 13-year-old has already declared he's smarter than me. I was at least 14 before I discovered I was smarter than my parents.
He's just like me though. I'm paying for my raising.
I have many a long night to look forward to I'm afraid, but I do talk to him about why certain things are unacceptable to me as his parent, and to God as His child.
I'm usually met with that infinite teenage wisdom that says "let me make my OWN mistakes!"
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