I see... passionate about staying on topic? very well... to say "leave him alone" means someone was messing with him.... and I certainly have not been messing with anyone here....
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Ah, for the simple life!
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PS...I'm thankful each time I see my dad's tattoo that it doesn't say "Greg" inside a big heart.
We tried to remove it with acid, but it didn't work out quite the way we were hoping.
Time for lunch.
Peace out.
We tried to remove it with acid, but it didn't work out quite the way we were hoping.
Time for lunch.
Peace out.
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Originally Posted by djconklin
It is fairly obvious that sincerity doesn't make it "easier" to forgive. But, if someone says that they are apologizing, but it is quite obvious that they aren't sincere, then who would be foolish enough to accept the "apology"? When Judas confessed that he had sinned in betraying innocent blood did God accept that and grant forgiveness?
Yes he did... perhaps Judas did not forgive himself, and that's another issue...
There's isn't even a scintilla of evidence that God fogave Judas. He didn't repent of his sin so how could God forgive him?
In order for forgiveness to even exist there has to be a sincere request for forgiveness. In my case, it's like water off a duck; let God take care of them.
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And you know he wasn't forgiven because of? Does a request for forgiveness have to be made for forgiveness to occur? NO.... Jesus said while they were crucifying him, Father forgive them because they don't know what they were doing... so to whom was forgiveness extended? Even though they didn't ask......
As for your criteria of what has to happen for forgiven to occur i.e. a sincere request.... I hear you, but I disagree....
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I didn't claim that Judas wasn't forgiven. I simply noted that there is no evidence for your claim that he was forgiven. Now since he then went off and hanged himself that's a pretty good indicator right there that he wasn't right with God.
When I was comparing DA with over 30 other authors I'd run into a number of authors dealing with this particular episode. Off-hand I don't recall reading a single one of them that would say that Judas sincerely repented.
I learned that one when I was but a child.
When I was comparing DA with over 30 other authors I'd run into a number of authors dealing with this particular episode. Off-hand I don't recall reading a single one of them that would say that Judas sincerely repented.
I learned that one when I was but a child.
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I guess you did not intend what this last rhetorical question clearly implies.
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It could be that I learned a lot when I was young because I did have a dad who was around, who was fairly well-educated, worked hard and so we did too (amazing what you can learn that way!), as a mechanical engineer he took that kind of attitude with him on other things as well.
So, when we took Bible studies you look in the Bible to see what God said and that was that. When it came to things that we can see "well take it apart and see how it works"--he once fixed the brakes on his car with nothing more than a pair of pliers and screwdriver. So, when the druggist took the doorknob off the back door to fix it and couldn't he told me to do it--I had never fixed one of those in my life! Oh well, let's see how this works! Or, a lady customer came in said she had locked herself out of her car. He turned to me and told me to help her--at barely 18 do I look experienced at these things? I was lucky enough to know I needed a coat hanger and a pair of pliers tho'. So, I go otu and look at her car and where the latch was and bent and cut the hanger, slide it in and pull--the door latch popped opens and she says I got the door open faster than she could with her keys!
I can remember when I was younger that my dad was talking to us kids and he said that if anyone came up to you and was talking about something you didn't believe in then what you should do was take your current beliefs and set them aside and listen real carefully because you never know, they might be onto something.
I'm also grateful that unlike some kids I didn't have a dad who beat me, or sexually abused me.
So, when we took Bible studies you look in the Bible to see what God said and that was that. When it came to things that we can see "well take it apart and see how it works"--he once fixed the brakes on his car with nothing more than a pair of pliers and screwdriver. So, when the druggist took the doorknob off the back door to fix it and couldn't he told me to do it--I had never fixed one of those in my life! Oh well, let's see how this works! Or, a lady customer came in said she had locked herself out of her car. He turned to me and told me to help her--at barely 18 do I look experienced at these things? I was lucky enough to know I needed a coat hanger and a pair of pliers tho'. So, I go otu and look at her car and where the latch was and bent and cut the hanger, slide it in and pull--the door latch popped opens and she says I got the door open faster than she could with her keys!
I can remember when I was younger that my dad was talking to us kids and he said that if anyone came up to you and was talking about something you didn't believe in then what you should do was take your current beliefs and set them aside and listen real carefully because you never know, they might be onto something.
I'm also grateful that unlike some kids I didn't have a dad who beat me, or sexually abused me.
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Quite frankly, I don't really care if Conklin accepts my apology or not. I pretty much figured he wouldn't even before I offered it. Nor do I care if anyone believes it was not sincere either.
I stand by my explanation. The post was not meant as an attack, so to apologize for an 'attack' that was not happening is ludicrous. It was a simple query, nothing more. And 'attack' is clearly what was implied by Honor's post #16, a typical attribution of evil intent and motivation that she so exels in using against me.
I apologized for misjudging Conklin's reason's for his post, because that is what happened. He was trying to lighten the mood, and I did not get that at the time.
I'm done with this Trust, so just let it go. All this is doing is just bringing more ridiculous charges against me. Being compared to Judas tells me that this matter is pretty much finished and there isn't much more point in continuing it.
I stand by my explanation. The post was not meant as an attack, so to apologize for an 'attack' that was not happening is ludicrous. It was a simple query, nothing more. And 'attack' is clearly what was implied by Honor's post #16, a typical attribution of evil intent and motivation that she so exels in using against me.
I apologized for misjudging Conklin's reason's for his post, because that is what happened. He was trying to lighten the mood, and I did not get that at the time.
I'm done with this Trust, so just let it go. All this is doing is just bringing more ridiculous charges against me. Being compared to Judas tells me that this matter is pretty much finished and there isn't much more point in continuing it.
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